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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: May 31, 2006 11:04 AM   in response to: Leland Y Chee in response to: Leland Y Chee
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How does the Holocron deal with continuity issues which haven't yet received a definite retcon, or in which the storyline hasn't been fully fleshed out? How Sadow ultimately ends up there after going into exile on Yavin IV seems to be unknown - how would the Holocron record this?

In general, the Holocron does not attempt to fill in untold storylines to give future authors complete flexibility if they wished to fill the gaps. I will sometimes make a note in the Continuty Notes that there is story that could be fleshed out. Who knows, maybe Freedon Nadd had some of the remains moved.
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Posted: May 31, 2006 8:44 AM   in response to: Chimpo1 in response to: Chimpo1
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I noticed that as well. Zekk should be about 2 years older than Jaina, but in Betrayal . . . yeah, not so much. :)
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Posted: May 31, 2006 1:50 AM   in response to: Nathan P. Butler in response to: Nathan P. Butler
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I have a question: Shouldn't Zekk be older then Jaina in Betrayal? If I remember correctly he was either 2 or 4 years older then Jaina in YJK books but in the Betrayal excerpt it is written that he is younger ?:|
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Posted: May 30, 2006 7:09 PM   in response to: ulic_g99 in response to: ulic_g99
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Speaking of Tales of the Jedi . . .

Uhm, the Star Wars Comics Companion just changed the dates on the Tales of the Jedi comics.

They were messed up in some of the earliest comics themselves, on the inside front cover, but that was fixed ages ago.

As recently as the NEC, the original TOTJ mini-series was at 4,000 BBY, The Freedon Nadd Uprising was at 3,998, DLOTS was at 3,997, and TSW was at 3,996 (6 months after DLOTS ended), then Redemption, ten years after TSW, was at 3,986.

Now, according to the Comics Companion (amusingly, also co-written by Dan Wallace), says that the original mini-series is at 4,000 and DLOTS is at 3,998 . . . Good so far . . .

But then DLOTS is at 3,992, TSW is at 3,991.5, and Redemption is at 3,981.5.

PLEASE tell me this was an accidental mistake, and we're not being given new official numbers that somehow give the Ketos six years, rather than one, to just sit around planning their coup. Not to mention how it plays with the relative dates for things that tie vaguely into the KOTOR games and comics . . .
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Posted: May 30, 2006 3:26 PM   in response to: Leland Y Chee in response to: Leland Y Chee
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How does the Holocron deal with continuity issues which haven't yet received a definite retcon, or in which the storyline hasn't been fully fleshed out?

For example, in Tales of the Jedi, Naga Sadow flees to Yavin IV, where he corrupts the Massassi, gets them to construct temples to him, etc; the story implies this is his last resting place. However in Knights of the Old Republic, Naga Sadow has a tomb in the Valley of the Dark Lords on Korriban (the tomb containing the ancient Starmap, no less). How Sadow ultimately ends up there after going into exile on Yavin IV seems to be unknown - how would the Holocron record this?
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Posted: May 30, 2006 1:46 PM   in response to: Leland Y Chee in response to: Leland Y Chee
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But the game also claims that Ulic and some others (correct me if I'm wrong), died on Korriban.
Sounds like you're mistaking Ulic Qel-Droma, who died on Rhen Var, with his cousin Duron Qel-Droma whose death on Korriban was also depicted in Star Wars Tales #23.

Would TOTJ take precedence or would the game, since some things don't match up?
All continuity issues, regardless of source, are handled case-by-case.
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Posted: May 29, 2006 1:08 PM   in response to: Leland Y Chee in response to: Leland Y Chee
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Would the KOTOR game be considered official canon? Of course the game was made after TOTJ, so there's no references to Revan, Malak, or the Mandalorian Wars. But the game also claims that Ulic and some others (correct me if I'm wrong), died on Korriban. Would TOTJ take precedence or would the game, since some things don't match up?
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Posted: May 29, 2006 12:33 PM   in response to: Arf Maul in response to: Arf Maul
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Is Dressing a Galaxy considered canon? Specifically the Neimoidian name "Rute Gunnay"?
Yep. In the ROTS Visual Dictionary, this character was misidentified as Nute Gunray. The Rute Gunnay name was created as a nod as to why two characters might get confused.

Obi-Wan's spirit appears on Mustafar and interacts with several Jedi players. Is this considered to be canon?
Yep.
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Posted: May 29, 2006 4:39 AM   in response to: Valin Kenobi in response to: Valin Kenobi
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Hi Tasty,
Some more annoying questions for you...

Is Dressing a Galaxy considered canon? Specifically the Neimoidian name "Rute Gunnay"?

In Star Wars Galaxies: Trials of Obi-Wan, as you know, Obi-Wan's spirit appears on Mustafar and interacts with several Jedi players. Is this considered to be canon? It just seems... unlikely.

Thanks Mr Chee :D
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Posted: May 28, 2006 11:41 AM   in response to: Leland Y Chee in response to: Leland Y Chee
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It certainly could be, though we would definitely give future authors leeway in whether they wanted to incorporate this information or not.

Groovy!

*Would it be easier to say that the Bpfasshi insurrection was drawn out long enough for the final Dark Jedi to have been stopped on Dagobah after Yoda went into exile? That would seem to fit Zahn's intent better, anyway, since Yoda already knew he had to prepare for Luke's training.*

Yeah, I like that fix a lot better.... Sorry, Tasty. :)
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Posted: May 26, 2006 12:30 PM   in response to: Lord Hydronium in response to: Lord Hydronium
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How are Pre-Republic topics (like Xim) treated, publishing era-wise?
Old Republic era. No plans on creating an earlier era.

*Would it be easier to say that the Bpfasshi insurrection was drawn out long enough for the final Dark Jedi to have been stopped on Dagobah after Yoda went into exile?*
Possibly. When I discover an issue that may need to be retconned, I will often pose a solution in the Holocron's continuity notes. The authors can then decide whether they want to go with this solution or come up with their own (which Licensing would have to approve.) Off the top of my head, I can't think of whether or not we officially used the fight near Dagobah retcon yet.
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Posted: May 25, 2006 5:11 PM   in response to: Captain Peabody in response to: Captain Peabody
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It means that Lucas's statement in the RotS script that Yoda stepped foot on Dagobah for the first time at the end of the movie means that stories that include Yoda on Dagobah beforehand, including his battle with the Bpfasshi Dark Jedi discussed in Vision of the Future, must be modified to fit this information. Currently, the solution they're using is that Yoda defeated that Jedi somewhere else in the Sluis Sector, and the Dark Jedi limped to Dagobah to die.
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Posted: May 25, 2006 5:01 PM   in response to: Leland Y Chee in response to: Leland Y Chee
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We now treat the Bpfaashi dark Jedi incident as taking place near Dagobah, not on Dagobah. Mortally wounded, the dark Jedi retreated to Dagobah where he died... or something like that.

What exactly does that mean?
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Posted: May 25, 2006 3:32 PM   in response to: Leland Y Chee in response to: Leland Y Chee
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Tasty Taste:

You can't get too much on higher than the Ep III script.

No, you can't. I didn't know it was also in the script.

We now treat the Bpfaashi dark Jedi incident as taking place near Dagobah, not on Dagobah. Mortally wounded, the dark Jedi retreated to Dagobah where he died... or something like that.

Would it be easier to say that the Bpfasshi insurrection was drawn out long enough for the final Dark Jedi to have been stopped on Dagobah after Yoda went into exile? That would seem to fit Zahn's intent better, anyway, since Yoda already knew he had to prepare for Luke's training.
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Posted: May 25, 2006 1:58 PM   in response to: jSarek in response to: jSarek
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since the time of Ep III is the first time that Yoda ever sets foot on Dagobah as noted in the Revenge of the Sith novelization

Do you mean the bit on the last page?
Because it says 'On the jungle planet Dagobah, a Jedi Master inspects the unfamiliar swamp of his exile...'

Now, applying the flexible thinking that Tramp and myself mentioned a page or two ago... it doesn't actually say that Yoda's never visited Dagobah before.
It seems possible to me that perhaps the bit he lands on is simply a part of the planet he's unfamiliar with.

"Hmm, recognise that tree, rock and mudhole I do not. Look for more familiar trees, rocks and mud I must."

I guess you'd be the chap in the know Leland, but I don't see why the Bpfassh etc. references can't still be valid.
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Posted: May 25, 2006 1:27 PM   in response to: Leland Y Chee in response to: Leland Y Chee
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So does that mean all the details besides the Dagobah one are in continuity? That is, he helped train a stranded Yoda and revealed that he was Force-sensitive, etc., just that it all took place on another unidentified swampy planet?
It certainly could be, though we would definitely give future authors leeway in whether they wanted to incorporate this information or not.

Hmm . . . does this passage in the novel come from on high?
You can't get too much on higher than the Ep III script. We now treat the Bpfaashi dark Jedi incident as taking place near Dagobah, not on Dagobah. Mortally wounded, the dark Jedi retreated to Dagobah where he died... or something like that.
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Posted: May 25, 2006 12:48 AM   in response to: Leland Y Chee in response to: Leland Y Chee
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Tasty Taste:

The existence of such character is part of continuity, but his appearance on Dagobah would not be, since the time of Ep III is the first time that Yoda ever sets foot on Dagobah as noted in the Revenge of the Sith novelization.

Hmm . . . does this passage in the novel come from on high? Because it would seem to conflict with Yoda's battle with the Bpfasshi Dark Jedi, which occurred during the Clone Wars; and also the Revenge of the Sith Visual Dictionary, which states on page 35, "In his extended lifetime, Yoda has visited countless worlds, some of which are so remote as to be unknown. One such world is the swamp planet, Dagobah."
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: May 24, 2006 4:42 PM   in response to: Leland Y Chee in response to: Leland Y Chee
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I don't know if publishing eras are part of the Holocron, or if this is better suited to the VIP thread, but:

How are Pre-Republic topics (like Xim) treated, publishing era-wise? Does the "Old Republic era" cover as far back as the continuity goes, including the times when there wasn't an Old Republic, or is there a "Pre-Republic era" that just hasn't been seen since there aren't any works set in that time period, or is there just no official era listed at all?

The existence of such character is part of continuity, but his appearance on Dagobah would not be, since the time of Ep III is the first time that Yoda ever sets foot on Dagobah as noted in the Revenge of the Sith novelization.
So does that mean all the details besides the Dagobah one are in continuity? That is, he helped train a stranded Yoda and revealed that he was Force-sensitive, etc., just that it all took place on another unidentified swampy planet?
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Posted: May 24, 2006 1:31 PM   in response to: Leland Y Chee in response to: Leland Y Chee
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So were, or were not, the DAA entries that were published (both the six winners and the honorable mentions) approved by Lucas Licensing?
All official Star Wars publications are approved by Licensing in their entirety. For something like the official Dungeon/Polyhedron stuff, only the +Star Wars+-related content goes through Licensing approval. So yes, the DAA entries would have been approved by Licensing (though I doubt the editors had continuity in mind at the time when they were approved.)

What kind of canon citation do you have in the Holocron--C-canon, N-canon, or ... ?
Secondary continuity.

does it follow that N'Kata Del Gormo is actually canon, since it's not directly overruled by another source?
The existence of such character is part of continuity, but his appearance on Dagobah would not be, since the time of Ep III is the first time that Yoda ever sets foot on Dagobah as noted in the Revenge of the Sith novelization.
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Posted: May 24, 2006 12:57 PM   in response to: Leland Y Chee in response to: Leland Y Chee
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Anyway, if all the honorable mentions as well as the winners were approved by LL, does it follow that is actually canon, since it's not directly overruled by another source? Or does the "no Yoda backstory" decree nix this immediately--thus making this story an exception?

I've known about this N'Kata since the issue in which he was first published, and it's actually not a bad entry to be included into canon as an episode of Yoda's history. But to be honest, I'd be kind of mad to find out it's been canon this whole time and just hiding under our collective nose.

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