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Re: The Official Abel G. Peña Thread (Halagad Approved)
Posted: Jul 17, 2010 6:49 PM   in response to: Halagad in response to: Halagad
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My apologies for the long silence. I've been very busy writing and trying not to starve
That's your excuse? Lame. ;)

Working on anything Star Wars?

let me happily announce that StarWars.com has restored the links to my
work here

Yay! (Where's a Drooling Yoda Smiley when you need one?) I've been wanting to re-read a few of these.
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Re: The Official Abel G. Peña Thread (Halagad Approved)
Posted: Jul 13, 2010 12:07 AM   in response to: mason_1701 in response to: mason_1701
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mason_1701:

With Hyperspace closing in 2011, do you happen to know if these now-exclusive articles will become open for all, or will none have access to them ever again?

Hey mason. I don't think the content is going to disappear completely. I have a feeling whatever the folks at StarWars.com have planned, they'll still be available in one form or another.

I sincerely hope it's the former.

Me too. :)

Take care,
Abel
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Re: The Official Abel G. Peña Thread (Halagad Approved)
Posted: Jul 9, 2010 6:56 AM   in response to: Halagad in response to: Halagad
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Mr. Pena, I have a question:

With Hyperspace closing in 2011, do you happen to know if these now-exclusive articles will become open for all, or will none have access to them ever again?

I sincerely hope it's the former.

Thank you!

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Re: The Official Abel G. Peña Thread (Halagad Approved)
Posted: Jul 9, 2010 1:18 AM   in response to: lukevanhorn in response to: lukevanhorn
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lukevanhorn:

Sweet! I've wanted to reread those articles for a long time. Will we ever see Aliens in the Empire part 3?

My hope is that we will. AE3 was a casualty of the StarWars.com redesign a few years back, as it was slated for publication just as the changes swept through the website. It may finally get its day in the twin suns now.

Dewback Rancher:

Thanks for the explanations- that really makes a lot of sense. I love it when the Force acts all mysterious, so that as an explanation for the end of TUF just hits the right buttons for me.

And Leia's Teras Kasi staff as an electrostaff? That, sir, is one of the most ingenious uses of retcon I've EVER seen!

Glad I could help with that. One trick to good retconning is to incorporate a new source into an older source whenever possible to breathe new life into it.

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Re: The Official Abel G. Peña Thread (Halagad Approved)
Posted: Jul 8, 2010 2:00 PM   in response to: Halagad in response to: Halagad
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Thanks for the explanations- that really makes a lot of sense. I love it when the Force acts all mysterious, so that as an explanation for the end of TUF just hits the right buttons for me.

And Leia's Teras Kasi staff as an electrostaff? That, sir, is one of the most ingenious uses of retcon I've EVER seen!
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Re: The Official Abel G. Peña Thread (Halagad Approved)
Posted: Jul 8, 2010 1:30 PM   in response to: Halagad in response to: Halagad
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Sweet! I've wanted to reread those articles for a long time. Will we ever see Aliens in the Empire part 3?
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Re: The Official Abel G. Peña Thread (Halagad Approved)
Posted: Jul 8, 2010 12:41 PM   in response to: Halagad in response to: Halagad
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Next order of business.

Master Ki-Aaron-Mundi:

Seriously? You're going to tease me with that, without actually providing the name? :p

But okay, okay, let me guess... I'm going off of your list of Darth names that you brainstormed from your Darth Ruin blog... did you originally have her as Darth Fatalis?

No, but that's my favorite one from that list of might-have-beens. So who knows, it might crop up again.

Dewback Rancher:

In any case, has anyone ever identified that weird staff Leia wields in that game? Though she's in Boussh's outfit, that's CLEARLY not the same staff she takes with her into Jabba's Palace in ROTJ; it almost reminds me of Jarael's staff.

I had forgotten about that, and you're right, it does bare a resemblance to Jarael's weapon or even the MagnaGuards electrostaffs (which would make plenty of sense if she's dueling Luke with it). I'd say that's the most likely explanation.

For example, from what I know about Force melds, wasn't the empowering supposed to be a two-way street? If so, where's the evidence that Jacen and Jaina were getting a power boost?

....If the idea that this supposed meld explained Luke's incredible performance towards the end of TUF hadn't been repeated in the EGttF, I'd have chalked it up as an ignorable mistake, but now I have to ask: what's going on with this now that it's got an Essential Guide backing it up, even though what that guide is referencing doesn't mesh with the rest of the referenced work itself or the subject matter IE Force melds?

I felt TUF was one of the best SW books I'd ever read, and this was pretty much my ONLY complaint, and it's a pretty confusing one to boot.

Well, I agree with you that The Unifying Force was a fantastic book. As for its incongruous description of a Force Meld, you're right, I would chalk it up to an out-of-universe snafu ... though if you want be a stickler for continuity, then this is clearly a different kind of Force Meld than the one we typically see the Jedi use. As for the EG to the Force compounding the error, well, it's written from an in-universe perspective precisely for an incident such as this. In all fairness, in that section of the EG to the Force, Tionne is really just repeating what Luke told her, and for all we know, that seems to be what Luke believes. Why does he believe that? Only he and the midi-chlorians know that.

Take care,
Abel
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Re: The Official Abel G. Peña Thread (Halagad Approved)
Posted: Jul 8, 2010 12:37 PM   in response to: Halagad in response to: Halagad
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Hey folks! This new forum is looking pretty fancy!

My apologies for the long silence. I've been very busy writing and trying not to starve. Before giving some long overdue responses to these posts, let me happily announce that StarWars.com has restored the links to my work here on the site which have been out of commission for several years! By popular demand, I give you:

Droids, Technology and the Force: A Clash of Phenomena
http://www.starwars.com/hyperspace/member/insideronline/81/indexp7.html

The Story of General Grievous: Lord of War
http://www.starwars.com/hyperspace/member/insideronline/86/indexp2.html

Evil Never Dies: The Sith Dynasties
http://www.starwars.com/hyperspace/member/insideronline/88/indexp2.html

Underworld Appendix: Swoops, Spice, and Wretched Rogues
http://www.starwars.com/hyperspace/member/insideronline/89/indexp3.html

Aliens in the Empire, Part I
http://www.starwars.com/hyperspace/member/insideronline/96/indexp2.html

Aliens in the Empire, Part II
http://www.starwars.com/hyperspace/member/insideronline/97/indexp4.html

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Re: The Official Abel G. Peña Thread (Halagad Approved)
Posted: Jun 1, 2010 7:36 PM   in response to: Dewback Rancher in response to: Dewback Rancher
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Jacen and Jaina are our narrators for the duration of the supposed meld, because they're there to describe how they "were astounded to see their uncle in such a state"; correct me if I'm wrong, but if they were all just conduits of the Force at that point, how were Jacen and Jaina conscious of themselves enough to be "astounded", much less recognize "Luke" as "their uncle"?

If the idea that this supposed meld explained Luke's incredible performance towards the end of TUF hadn't been repeated in the EGttF, I'd have chalked it up as an ignorable mistake, but now I have to ask: what's going on with this now that it's got an Essential Guide backing it up, even though what that guide is referencing doesn't mesh with the rest of the referenced work itself or the subject matter IE Force melds?

I felt TUF was one of the best SW books I'd ever read, and this was pretty much my ONLY complaint, and it's a pretty confusing one to boot.
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Re: The Official Abel G. Peña Thread (Halagad Approved)
Posted: Jun 1, 2010 7:36 PM   in response to: Dewback Rancher in response to: Dewback Rancher
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They just followed Luke and deflected any stray Vong bugs that got past him; that's something they can do any day of the week. And during the fighting itself, Jaina goes after Omini early, Jacen is buried in Slayers, and Luke hardly slows down; not only does this really correspond to their power levels, but the other two thirds of the supposed Force meld get taken out and Luke only starts to get tired later.

Further, again with the two-way-street thing, the sentence that asserts the three were in a meld also states that "they were of one mind, and that mind was the Force"; the only one of the three this sentence seems to be true of at ALL is Luke himself.
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Posted: Jun 1, 2010 7:00 PM   in response to: Halagad in response to: Halagad
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Sorry to DP, even if it HAS been a few months since the last post, but I finally managed to read The Unifying Force, and I now have what amounts to a much more important question.

During the final assault on Shimrra's Citadel, I know there was that one sentence that states that Luke, Jaina, and Jacen were in a Force meld at the time- a sentence that was repeated basically word-for-word in the EGttF, by the way- but that sentence just doesn't seem to fit the rest of the description of the battle in the same book or what we know about Force melds, for that matter.

For example, from what I know about Force melds, wasn't the empowering supposed to be a two-way street? If so, where's the evidence that Jacen and Jaina were getting a power boost?
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Re: The Official Abel G. Peña Thread (Halagad Approved)
Posted: Feb 22, 2010 6:58 PM   in response to: Halagad in response to: Halagad
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Here's one- I've always had a soft spot for Star Wars: Masters of Teras Kasi on the PS1. Mostly because my brother and I always had arguments over who was better, Luke (my fave) or Han (my brother's), and MoTK allowed us to duke it out over the issue.

Good times, good times... B-)

In any case, has anyone ever identified that weird staff Leia wields in that game? Though she's in Boussh's outfit, that's CLEARLY not the same staff she takes with her into Jabba's Palace in ROTJ; it almost reminds me of Jarael's staff.

Found a vid of Leia in the game on YouTube, if that helps- Leia's the first opponent this guy takes on, so from the beginning to 1:50 or so.
[|]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wsQ8MDjQxWM

I've just wondered about this one for a LONG time now. ;)
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Re: The Official Abel G. Peña Thread (Halagad Approved)
Posted: Feb 13, 2010 12:33 AM   in response to: Halagad in response to: Halagad
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Wow! Thanks for the in-depth response! Very interesting.

Incidentally, Chris was at once both remarkably faithful to my descriptions and surprisingly creative in his depictions
You're absolutely right--that guy's an incredible artist, and it's really cool to see the notes he was working off of.

That name was changed in editing to Darth Cognus, possibly because the alternative was deemed either too silly or too sexually suggestive
Seriously? You're going to tease me with that, without actually providing the name? :p

But okay, okay, let me guess... I'm going off of your list of Darth names that you brainstormed from your Darth Ruin blog... did you originally have her as Darth Fatalis?
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Re: The Official Abel G. Peña Thread (Halagad Approved)
Posted: Feb 11, 2010 5:08 PM   in response to: Halagad in response to: Halagad
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*"As far as Millennial, I suppose the obvious idea would be to go with the orange Sith look for all three of his eyes. Barring that, a hypnotic lavender could would work nicely. Chris, if you can get it to jibe visually, it would be interesting to distinguish the pair of eyes from the third eye by making the latter alone a Sith eye and the others Millennial's natural lavender, or vice versa. I leave that aesthetic up to you. As Millennial is the founder of the Prophets of the Dark Side and the Supreme Prophet himself, you might also fill his black robes with stars, unless you think it'll overwhelm the composition. (Here is an example: http://starwars.wikia. com/wiki/Image:Prophets.jpg). By the same token, hints of a thick beard would work well, as all but the lowliest Prophets have them.

Finally, it'd be excellent to work in the Prophets' tattoo (http://starw ars.wikia.com/wiki/Image:Tietatooscreenshot.JPG), particularly on the inside palm of Millennial's left hand, a la Margiana in the Golden Voyage of Sinbad and of course Toht in Raiders of the Lost Ark.

Though both Cognus and Millennial are characters chiefly circumscribed by their intelligence, they are properly defined in relation to one another. For Cognus, Millennial is her wayward pupil, a misguided Carl Jung to her strict Sigmund Freud. Extending the metaphor, from Millennial's perspective, Cognus is something like a succubus, and her appearance should reflect that.

Cognus in my mind is a precognitive Iktotchi, and if you can work the slightly shorter horns of a female into her illustration, that would be fantastic. Her lips should have that fat Jolie quality, but with a noticeably unhealthy, cracked and dry appearance. A snarlish, almost vampiresque bearing of teeth wouldn't be out of the question. Meanwhile, a Sith tattoo similar to Jerec's--a frown-like design extending down from the edges of her mouth--would also be good."*

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Re: The Official Abel G. Peña Thread (Halagad Approved)
Posted: Feb 11, 2010 5:07 PM   in response to: Master Ki-Aaron... in response to: Master Ki-Aaron...
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Hi Aaron,

Well, nothing gets by you. When I submitted the finished manuscript of Evil Never Dies for approval, I had a different name for Darth Millennial's master. That name was changed in editing to Darth Cognus, possibly because the alternative was deemed either too silly or too sexually suggestive.

Nothing was officially known about Cognus prior to her brief namedrop in Evil Never Dies, and while I tend not to go too deep into background development for such minor characters, I did have some ideas. Below I've posted the descriptions I sent to artist Chris Trevas for his illustrations of Millennial and Cognus in the Complete Star Wars Encyclopedia, which include some personality details.

(Incidentally, Chris was at once both remarkably faithful to my descriptions and surprisingly creative in his depictions.)

Best,
Abel
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Re: The Official Abel G. Peña Thread (Halagad Approved)
Posted: Jan 8, 2010 7:53 PM   in response to: Halagad in response to: Halagad
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A question for you, Mr. Pena:

I was re-reading your "A Darth By Any Other Name" blogs today, and while reading the blog on Darth Millenial, I became curious as to where the name "Darth Cognus" originated. I checked the Wook, and it says that Cognus was first mentioned in your article, Evil Never Dies. (That's an article I'd love to re-read, by the way, now that I've read +Dynasty of Evil+). So what I'm wondering is, you say you invented only three Darth names (Ruin, Millenial, and Zannah), so where did Cognus come from, and what was known about her prior to the publication of +Evil Never Dies+?
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Re: The Official Abel G. Peña Thread (Halagad Approved)
Posted: Jan 5, 2010 1:13 PM   in response to: Lord Flemm in response to: Lord Flemm
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Oh yeah, Skippy. :^O
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Re: The Official Abel G. Peña Thread (Halagad Approved)
Posted: Jan 5, 2010 9:32 AM   in response to: Halagad in response to: Halagad
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P.S. Haha. Skippy the Jedi Droid.
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Re: The Official Abel G. Peña Thread (Halagad Approved)
Posted: Jan 4, 2010 6:28 PM   in response to: aalagar tassle in response to: aalagar tassle
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aalagar tassl:

I would like to ask a question about a droid being Sentient, is I-5 sentient? jax could feel it in the force. Is vuffi ra sentient as well as his species? Im sorry if these questions have already been posted but you are very popular. Im not interested in sentient programming just pure sentient from a pure droid, not a cyborg.

Hi aalagar. You're asking for a straight answer to what amounts to a tricky philosophical question. As you may or may not know, the official Star Wars analogue to our "artificial intelligence" is referred to in-universe as "artificial sentience." That suggests that droids with this programming are self-aware or at least perhaps capable of becoming so, which has been made explicit in the case of bounty hunter 4-LOM.

But the question of what constitutes self-awareness is trickier. In the New Jedi Order subseries, Agents of Chaos, C-3PO grapples with issues of his own consciousness, which seems like a very sentient thing to do, while elsewhere the purely-robotic N-K Necrosis contemplates whether he himself is a reincarnation of the part-man General Grievous and therefore, by extension, "alive." Is it enough for an organism, cybernetic or otherwise, to merely have the capacity to believe itself sentient or must there be a confirmation from an outside source? In our own reality, there really isn't any possibility of a non-subjective confirmation, while in Star Wars there seems to be the potential for "the Force" to act as an objective arbiter.

The problem is that the Force has been demonstrated to be sensible even in inanimate objects, such as rocks and caves, according to Yoda in the Empire Strikes Back. The Expanded Universe takes this even further, with Force-endowed relics and paraphernalia, and even an experimental device specifically crafted to facilitate the manipulation of droid "brains" known as a subelectronic converter. In the Tales of the Jedi series, a Jedi Master uses a special Force technique to disable battle droids, and I doubt they necessarily had to be sentient for the trick to work.

This is perhaps really not so surprising, given that much of the material universe is made up of the same material stuff. The way we are accustomed to classifying "life" is a superficial taxonomy that is more useful to our default way of thinking than it is fundamentally accurate.

In short, I don't know the definitive answer to your question. Some time ago, I wrote a source article for StarWars.com called Droids, Technology, and the Force: A Clash of Phenomena which addressed the issue in much more detail, but left the answer open-ended. StarWars.com may again publish the essay one day.

Take care,
Abel
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Re: The Official Abel G. Peña Thread (Halagad Approved)
Posted: Jan 4, 2010 6:27 PM   in response to: aalagar tassle in response to: aalagar tassle
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Happy New Year, folks!

Rainbow Droideka:

I recently stumbled across your comment about "Bossk Party" from back in the day on my MySpace profile....good times. :D Tangentially related e-mail communication forthcoming....

Tangentially related reply pending.

Jedi Kasra:

Hey, Mr. Pena. I wanted to ask you about Bastila Shan's being a Knight. The game states that she was a Padawan, but only when Zhar Lestin is introducing the Jedi Masters to Revan. All later sources, including the campaign guide, state that she was a Knight. Is it reasonable to assume that Shan was knighted during the events of the game, even during Revan's re-training?

On the surface, it seems like a fair assumption, though it would depend on what, if any, ramifications it would have on the interpretations of other events or facts in the storyline.

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