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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
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Nov 2, 2005 9:12 AM
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The Leia remembering Padmé thing is one of those things that's probably best left unexplained. I've got nothing official. You might want to check on Ghent's blog on the subject: SW Exegesis: How does Leia remember Padme? |
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
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Nov 2, 2005 7:32 AM
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That's not good enough for me. I must have proof. I expected an official explanation from Lucas in the DVD commentary, AND HE DIDN'T SAY A WORD ABOUT IT! So, Tasty Taste, do you know anything about it?
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
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Nov 2, 2005 1:31 AM
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Its said that Leia had a Force connection with Padme, but that the ROTJ book was in error with the additional memories, as well as with the Owen-Obi Wan sibling thing.
Solo out
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
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Nov 2, 2005 1:24 AM
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Tasty Taste, it is possible (you being the master of Star Wars continuity) for you to settle the ongoing debate on this site, as to why Leia remembers Padme in ROTJ, but Luke doesn't?
It would seem to be because Leia spent the most time with Padme, and was near her at death, while Luke was taken away. Does anyone know of any official statement Lucas has made about this?
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
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Nov 1, 2005 5:39 AM
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Except when Boba Fett is involved, as Nathan said, George Lucas considers Boba dead, while EU states that he still lives.
GL says that while he intended for Boba to die in RotJ, he has also said that he has no problem with him being alive in the books. He considers him dead, but he's never explicitly rejected his survival.
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
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Oct 31, 2005 5:38 PM
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Nex:
Regarding "Chief" Bast. Did he not appear in the Star Wars Holiday Special (may it rest in the agony of the firey depths of Hell ![]:)](images/emoticons/devil.gif) )? Did that not take place after ANH? Or is the SWHS not within the continuity anymore?
Some elements are in continuity, some aren't; and Bast surviving is not. Thus, we must assume that it was another officer who looked like Bast, or apply some other retcon.
I wouldn't think so. By it's very nature, G-canon will always trump C-canon.
Except Mitth'raw'nuruodo's post was made in response to the revelation from Tasty that it DOESN'T necessarily always trump: "Source A contradicts Source B. More likely than not, if Source A is from the films and Source B is from the EU, we'll use Source A. Of course, there can always be exceptions which is why the case-by-case determination is always in effect no matter what the Sources." |
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
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Oct 31, 2005 4:08 PM
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Except when Boba Fett is involved, as Nathan said, George Lucas considers Boba dead, while EU states that he still lives.
Solo out
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
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Oct 31, 2005 3:50 PM
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Have there been any times when a C-canon source has been used over a G-canon source?
I wouldn't think so. By it's very nature, G-canon will always trump C-canon.
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
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Oct 31, 2005 3:48 PM
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Regarding "Chief" Bast. Did he not appear in the Star Wars Holiday Special (may it rest in the agony of the firey depths of Hell )? Did that not take place after ANH? Or is the SWHS not within the continuity anymore? |
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
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Oct 31, 2005 1:09 AM
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Well explained, Tasty.
Take care,
Abel
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
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Oct 25, 2005 5:44 PM
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Heh, Boba Fett, anyone? :P
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
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Oct 25, 2005 4:28 PM
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Have there been any times when a C-canon source has been used over a G-canon source?
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
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Oct 25, 2005 3:55 PM
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Tasty Taste:
Source A contradicts Source B. More likely than not, if Source A is from the films and Source B is from the EU, we'll use Source A. Of course, there can always be exceptions which is why the case-by-case determination is always in effect no matter what the Sources.
Wow. So in some cases (albeit quite rare, I'm sure), C-canon stuff CAN override G-canon stuff? I think you may have just dropped a major bomb on the Star Wars nitpicky debating community.
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
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Oct 25, 2005 10:53 AM
in response to: Leland Y Chee
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Thanks Tasty. Can I bug you for one more question? Please settle a long-running debate.
What is the plan for the Jedi in ROTJ? Are they trying to convince Luke to destroy/kill the Sith or are they using a type of reverse-pyschology to get Luke to try and save Anakin?
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
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Oct 25, 2005 9:28 AM
in response to: Leland Y Chee
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And all G level would mean GL himself checks over it right?
G-level canon has nothing to do with GL checking over anything. It's anything that can be taken from the films or internal notes from him which can come from discussions, early drafts, or comments on GL-approved text.
The G/C/S-level canon stuff is a construct specifically for the Holocron. Non-Holocron users would have no idea what this stuff even means and I would say most of the people who use the Holocron don't use the field, instead looking specifically to the source of the material. Individual entries are not broken down by canon level.
This is how I use it:
- We need a list of characters from the films. I'll do a search of characters by G-canon.
- We need a list of some planets from the films and the EU. I'll do a search for planets sorted by canon to determine which ones are going to recognized by more people.
- Source A contradicts Source B. More likely than not, if Source A is from the films and Source B is from the EU, we'll use Source A. Of course, there can always be exceptions which is why the case-by-case determination is always in effect no matter what the Sources.
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
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Oct 25, 2005 9:15 AM
in response to: Leland Y Chee
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Tasty,
How canon are the KOTOR 2 Chronicles on the KOTOR 2 site? I've heard they contradict the story of that era.
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
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Oct 25, 2005 8:38 AM
in response to: Leland Y Chee
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Thanks again Tastee. And all G level would mean GL himself checks over it right? Sorry for being a pain - you just have no idea what kind of debate has happen on one SW board over the Jedi's motivations for Luke.
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
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Oct 24, 2005 3:44 PM
in response to: Leland Y Chee
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Another question then -- are the old Marvel comics down at the same level as the Holiday Special, or are the issues which don't contradict G-canon fully C-canon even if not referenced by newer material?
I'm also specifically wondering about a "Jabba the Hut" (sic) appearance in issue #28, where Jabba appears as a svelte Nimbanel who spells his name with one "T". I've heard some sources say that this was Jabba's accountant Mosep, operating under the nickname "Jabba the Hut", but I don't know if this is an official ruling or just a clever fan invention.
Thanks in advance.
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
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Oct 24, 2005 12:08 PM
in response to: Leland Y Chee
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Databank - The Movies descriptions are G; Expanded Universe descriptions are C.
Chief Bast - the Star Wars Encyclopedia said he died, so we consider him dead.
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
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Oct 24, 2005 3:50 AM
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However, it seems that if he didn't survive the death star, then you would have to come up with an entire explanation as to who the guy was with Vader (either how and why Bast was cloned, or how some guy that just happens to look like Bast ended up with the exact same rank, working in the empire). And... those explanations would sound like that stuff SuperShadow would come up with, so, I just don't understand why Bast in the holiday special is considered N-Canon.
And finally ... thanks for answering my question, as this has been a huge subject of debate between myself and others over at the Star Wars Wiki and at Wikipedia.
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