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Re: Marvels take on Star wars
Posted: Dec 4, 2005 1:36 PM   in response to: dark trooper 11 in response to: dark trooper 11
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he created the character Opun "The Black Hole" Mcgrrrr

Actually, I never created Opun. He was first mentioned in Galaxy Guide 2 back in 1989. I just took the name and ran with it. I decided he was the Declan Jabba and not Heater because Joel Brooks' performance of Heater was so aristocratic and dignified that I had a hard time hearing that voice coming out of so burly and slovenly a person.

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Re: Marvels take on Star wars
Posted: Dec 4, 2005 12:53 PM   in response to: dark trooper 11 in response to: dark trooper 11
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The Marvel Comics had a few good stories...The Crimson Forever was one of my favourites. I still have all the U.K comics from the 80's through all its various forms...from the Star Wars comic right through to the Return of the Jedi comics till it finaly merged with the Spiderman and Zoids Comics.
In truth, I think I still prefer that era of the comics, but maybe that is just the nostalgic side of me kicking in.
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Re: Marvels take on Star wars
Posted: Dec 4, 2005 12:00 PM   in response to: artack in response to: artack
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george probably did'nt then know what Jabba looked like, so the artists probably picked a picture of one of the ( Tatooine) aliens, and said we'll make him jabba!, and put him in the comics!!!, I think you see him walking around in Mos Eislys some where!!

It's true. :) In the interview segment preceding the Return of the Jedi Special Edition on VHS, Lucas says that he originally envisioned Jabba to be a sort of a furry character, like Chewbacca. That's why he had Declan Mulholland wear the furry overcoat that he did. It wasn't until he was writing the script for Jedi that he got the slug idea.
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Re: Marvels take on Star wars
Posted: Dec 4, 2005 10:05 AM   in response to: Halagad in response to: Halagad
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Hal - thanx for clarifying my errors in stating the marvels were non-continuity (you say they are, but i imagine at a lower level or "retcon" which i dont fully comprehend anyway - im an EU noob), and that the marvels were not changed for the DH reprints (which i said there were changes, you say there werent).

i have some cataloguing to do of my marvels... i havent read them since i was ages 8 thru 10 or so! i dont read any of the other comics anyway, save for a few of the GNs, so im no expert.
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Re: Marvels take on Star wars
Posted: Dec 4, 2005 9:20 AM   in response to: Darth Minious in response to: Darth Minious
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I really love the old Marvel Star Wars comics, and the newer ones, I have about 3/4 of the Old Marvel comics most with the barcodes on them!, I don't let the continuity or silyness of the series get in the way of me liking them, fans have to keep in mind that the writers had near nothing to go on before Star Wars, and the movies, especialy with the Jabba thing, george probably did'nt then know what Jabba looked like, so the artists probably picked a picture of one of the ( Tatooine) aliens, and said we'll make him jabba!, and put him in the comics!!!, I think you see him walking around in Mos Eislys some where!!
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Re: Marvels take on Star wars
Posted: Dec 3, 2005 1:02 PM   in response to: Jeff Ferguson in response to: Jeff Ferguson
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Hey Jeff. Shadows of the Empire does fit within the Marvel storyline, though I don't remember where the split has to happen. Somewhere in the #50s I believe.

Folks have brought up the objection of Luke having a lightsaber in the early post-+Empire+ Marvels (the late #40s), though I've suggested the possible fix that this lightsaber was taken from Baron Orman Tagge, one of Luke's slain rivals from the pre-+Empire+ Marvels (the late #30s).

That leaves Luke free to later build his own Return of the Jedi lightsaber in Shadows of the Empire.

Take care,
Abel
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Re: Marvels take on Star wars
Posted: Dec 3, 2005 12:55 PM   in response to: Leland Y Chee in response to: Leland Y Chee
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And I'd push for the human Jabba stand-in to actually be a separate character named Heater.

I would too, except that in Pablo Hidalgo's story "Spare Parts," the same where Mosep was introduced, he created the character Opun "The Black Hole" Mcgrrrr, who is illustrated to look identical to the actor who played human-Jabba, Declan Mulholland.

There are several possibilities, of course, though none are believable quick fixes. It's possible Heater is another nickname for Mcgrrr, but even that simple suggestion would take some legwork to mesh the two characters, since their backstories seem at odds.

Take care,
Abel
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Re: Marvels take on Star wars
Posted: Dec 3, 2005 12:24 PM   in response to: dark trooper 11 in response to: dark trooper 11
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I totally didn't know that, jSarek. Thanks!

Can anyone shed light on my previous question? I remember reading in some thread sometime back that Shadows of the Empire fit in with the Marvel storylines taking place between Empire and Jedi. Is this true? I hope that the ones in between ANH and Empire don't get a dump taken on them by Zahn with Allegiance.
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Re: Marvels take on Star wars
Posted: Dec 3, 2005 6:49 AM   in response to: Jedi Comedian in response to: Jedi Comedian
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Jedi Comedian: "Heater", Jabba's henchman who bothers Han at Docking Bay 94 in the radio dramas just as Jabba does in the special edition film and "skinny Jabba" does in the Marvel comics, was apparently used in the old West End Games supplement "Live Action Adventures". So he has made at least one other appearance.
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Re: Marvels take on Star wars
Posted: Dec 3, 2005 2:50 AM   in response to: Leland Y Chee in response to: Leland Y Chee
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And I'd push for the human Jabba stand-in to actually be a separate character named Heater.

Doesn't he already have a character, the man who auditions Mara in Sleight of Hand: The Tale of Mara Jade from +Tales from Jabba's Palace+? Or is that Heater?
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Re: Marvels take on Star wars
Posted: Dec 2, 2005 6:59 PM   in response to: dark trooper 11 in response to: dark trooper 11
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The Mosep/skinny Jabba connection is, as I just mentioned, basically a matter of time.

The fact that Mosep is Jabba's accountant is already sort of a retcon. And I'd push for the human Jabba stand-in to actually be a separate character named Heater.
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Re: Marvels take on Star wars
Posted: Dec 2, 2005 11:59 AM   in response to: Halagad in response to: Halagad
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It's not totally official, but this must count for something:

Cantina Roll-Call: Shedding Light on Some Alien Aliases

I'm positive I've read somewhere that the whole Mosep/Jabba thing is official.
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Re: Marvels take on Star wars
Posted: Dec 2, 2005 10:11 AM   in response to: jSarek in response to: jSarek
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Darth Minious:

I remember that the reader's were really pushing for more Han Solo stories, which was almost impossible because, face it, the man WAS frozen in carbonite for that year!

The Stenax Shuffle, #70 I believe, was another Han flashback story during that post-+Empire+ run. To this day, the very next issue's cover with Luke and Lando posed dramatically defending Han in carbonite with the blurb, "The Hunt for Han Solo... ends here!" remains one of my all time favorite Star Wars covers.

Silly Dan:

Too bad, I liked that retcon. Maybe someone could add it in? Like in a "Who's Who in Mos Eisley" article? A "What's the Story" entry? Anything? 8)

It's almost certain to be retconed some day by someone. It's a no-brainer.

jSarek:

And yes, as far as they can be reconciled with existing information, the Marvels are official.

Out of 100+ issues, there's about 3 or 4 bad seeds with serious contradictions, and most of these have been explained. The aforementioned "skinny Jabba" is one, Boba Fett in the Clone Wars is another, and Janson's "death." The last two events, which were coincidentally related second-hand by characters in the stories themselves, have been recently retconned by taking the certain point of view approach. The Mosep/skinny Jabba connection is, as I just mentioned, basically a matter of time.

Take care,
Abel
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Re: Marvels take on Star wars
Posted: Dec 2, 2005 9:56 AM   in response to: Darth Minious in response to: Darth Minious
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At the time, I was miffed because the artwork didn't look like the X-Men or other Marvel titles of the day... now I see that it was always intended for it to stand apart. It still does.

I actually had a similar reaction to the artwork of Olivier Vatine, who illustrated the comic adaptation of Heir to the Empire: initially very off-putting, but then, as the saying goes, a miracle! :)

It took confidence on Marvel's and Infanito's part to take the Major Franchise of it's day and to try this approach. But it worked...

It worked. Why, I don't know. There's something almost intellectual about Infantino's geometrical art, bordering on the abstract. It sure was risky, and I'm glad they did it. It's so distinctive that there's never a question whether or not you're looking at an Infantino Han, Luke, or Leia.

Take care,
Abel
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Re: Marvels take on Star wars
Posted: Dec 1, 2005 9:40 PM   in response to: Silly Dan in response to: Silly Dan
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Jeff Ferguson:

For example, in #88, Mon Mothma says that the Rebel Alliance, shortly after the defeat of the Empire at Endor, is now called the 'Alliance of Free Planets'. Now, I'm not so completely anal that I see this as a continuity breach (:)), but hey, some people might. :^O Obviously, little things like this are small enough to be overlooked --- for frick's sake, it was one comment by Mon Mothma! But my question stands. With stuff from them all over the databank, Im guessing that they're officially part of continuity.

Actually, the Alliance of Free Planets is a part of continuity. For the month between the Battle of Endor and the Declaration of a New Republic, the interim governing body was indeed the Alliance of Free Planets.

And yes, as far as they can be reconciled with existing information, the Marvels are official.
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Re: Marvels take on Star wars
Posted: Dec 1, 2005 8:02 PM   in response to: Halagad in response to: Halagad
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Well, I double-checked the Encyclopedia to make sure, but no, I'm not aware of any official retcon that says Mosep impersonated Jabba. This certainly seems like the most logical fix for Marvel's skinny Jabba, but nothing that's been canonized yet.

Nooooooooooooo!

Too bad, I liked that retcon. Maybe someone could add it in? Like in a "Who's Who in Mos Eisley" article? A "What's the Story" entry? Anything? 8)

All the same, thanks for the reply!
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Re: Marvels take on Star wars
Posted: Dec 1, 2005 7:12 PM   in response to: the fragrant wo... in response to: the fragrant wo...
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Personally, I don't like the Marvel comics because I'm a bit of a stickler for continuity.
Granted, they don't match up well with the post-Dark Empire EU, but in some ways they have held up well. For example, GL has always implied that The Empire ended with the Emperor's death at Endor (reinforced by the Special Editions)... and the Marvel comics stayed on that same thread and never deviated.

Luke and Lando arrive on a planet called Ventooine, only to discover a monument to Han Solo and an old priest who refers to the rogue as 'the savior'. We then get a flashback story of Han in his smuggler days, romancing a beautiful woman, battling a giant monster and overthrowing a demented dictator. Classic!
I agree! I'd forgotten that story (I don't have that issue but I read it), I remember that the reader's were really pushing for more Han Solo stories, which was almost impossible because, face it, the man WAS frozen in carbonite for that year!
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Re: Marvels take on Star wars
Posted: Dec 1, 2005 7:03 PM   in response to: Halagad in response to: Halagad
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When I first read the Marvels, I was put off by Infantino's blocky illustration. But as I've gotten older, it's really grown on me. I have a hard time characterizing why that is, but I've come to love Infantino's Star Wars work.

Hi Abel!

When I re-read the series, I remember liking the consistancy of his artwork (for good OR bad!). This month's Luke would look like next month's Luke. Infantino seemed to decide on a style, and the Hell with what anybody else thought of it. At the time, I was miffed because the artwork didn't look like the X-Men or other Marvel titles of the day... now I see that it was always intended for it to stand apart. It still does. It took confidence on Marvel's and Infanito's part to take the Major Franchise of it's day and to try this approach. But it worked...
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Re: Marvels take on Star wars
Posted: Dec 1, 2005 6:12 PM   in response to: Halagad in response to: Halagad
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Personally, I don't like the Marvel comics because I'm a bit of a stickler for continuity.

That said, one of my prize Star Wars possessions is the 1984 Return of the Jedi Summer Special (originally costing a whopping 85p!) from Marvel UK.

It's set between ESB and RotJ and tell how Luke and Lando arrive on a planet called Ventooine, only to discover a monument to Han Solo and an old priest who refers to the rogue as 'the savior'. We then get a flashback story of Han in his smuggler days, romancing a beautiful woman, battling a giant monster and overthrowing a demented dictator. Classic!

Anyone else read this story? It's called 'Shadeshine'.
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Re: Marvels take on Star wars
Posted: Dec 1, 2005 5:39 PM   in response to: Darth Minious in response to: Darth Minious
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It's ironic: when I bought the original Infanito Star Wars comics in my teens, I HATED the artwork! When I reacquired most of the series 15 years later, I read though it again and readjusted my opinion. Infanito became second best only to Golden's one-shot 'Riders In The Void', the one immediately prior to TESB adaptation.

I had a very similar experience, Darth Minious. When I first read the Marvels, I was put off by Infantino's blocky illustration. But as I've gotten older, it's really grown on me. I have a hard time characterizing why that is, but I've come to love Infantino's Star Wars work.

Take care,
Abel

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