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Nathan P. Butler


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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: May 15, 2006 4:21 PM   in response to: Sompeetalay in response to: Sompeetalay
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Uh-oh.

Okay, am I reading this wrongly, or do we have two different events with Delta Squad that both take place 367 days after Geonosis.

The RC video game has them on the Prosecutor at that point, but Triple Zero has them doing the rescue of Omega Squad.

Is the rescue somehow immediately after the Prosecutor mission?
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: May 14, 2006 11:38 AM   in response to: Nathan P. Butler in response to: Nathan P. Butler
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Due to production problems, the character of Rune Haako couldn't appear in AOTC and so another mask was used (with the name Gilramos Libkath stated in the AOTC:VD). Gilramos Libkath also appears in Boba Fett: Hunted.
< I know, that's why I wanted to know if these things are going to be corrected in the Complete VD, since the Holocron says this Neimoidian is Haako & the VD of 'RotS' lists Rute Gunnay as Nute Gunray, etc ...
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: May 14, 2006 9:25 AM   in response to: Rainbow Droideka in response to: Rainbow Droideka
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Thanks. I'll pass that along.
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: May 13, 2006 10:35 PM   in response to: Grand Moff Magn... in response to: Grand Moff Magn...
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1) How long do they have between the time that the blockade begins and the invasion actually occurs?

The novelization calls it a month (and the NEGtC subtly supports this). I believe that Tasty confirmed this at one point (despite it not meshing very conveniently with Shadow Hunter and possibly other sources).

And here's the link to Tasty's confirmation (bottom of the page):

http:// forums.starwars.com/thread.jspa?threadID=125719&start=105
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: May 13, 2006 2:16 PM   in response to: Leland Y Chee in response to: Leland Y Chee
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Will the Complete Visual Dictionary be updated with corrections like Rune Haako instead of Gilramos Libkath? I think it should be a pitty if these mistakes were not corrected ...

Due to production problems, the character of Rune Haako couldn't appear in AOTC and so another mask was used (with the name Gilramos Libkath stated in the AOTC:VD). Gilramos Libkath also appears in Boba Fett: Hunted.
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Posted: May 13, 2006 11:51 AM   in response to: Nathan P. Butler in response to: Nathan P. Butler
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Will the Complete Visual Dictionary be updated with corrections like Rune Haako instead of Gilramos Libkath? I think it should be a pitty if these mistakes were not corrected ...
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: May 13, 2006 8:16 AM   in response to: Arf Maul in response to: Arf Maul
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I don't have access to my stuff to find the answers to these just now, so perhaps someone else can answer faster:

Both of these came in from a Star Wars Timeline Gold reader, regarding the blockade and subsequent invasion of Naboo by the TF in TPM:

1) How long do they have between the time that the blockade begins and the invasion actually occurs?

2) Does the blockade work both ways? (No one in, no one out) Or is it only after the invasion that no one can leave without being fired upon?

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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: May 3, 2006 10:11 PM   in response to: Leland Y Chee in response to: Leland Y Chee
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Cool, thanks Tasty :)
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Posted: May 3, 2006 5:45 PM   in response to: Leland Y Chee in response to: Leland Y Chee
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Star Wars Galaxy Magazine #7 published the winners of the "Design an Alien" contest, where fans were encouraged to submit artwork and backstories of new SW aliens. Are these aliens canon? The Lyco Pibex look espcially cool.
Yes, though any text discrepencies with other sources would likely to superceded by the other source.

And is information from Monsters and Aliens from George Lucas canon?
Unless referred to by a source that is in-continuity, the information is non-continuity. With that said, if it makes sense for an author to incorporate some of that information into continuity, I wouldn't stop them.
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: May 3, 2006 3:53 AM   in response to: jSarek in response to: jSarek
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Not wanting to divert this thread any further towards Antarctica than it's veered already ...but that would be interesting reading. Two words to consider: Bertrand Russell. Further discussion: Ask Karen thread.

(Sorry, Leland. We're gone now.)
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: May 3, 2006 2:55 AM   in response to: JamesGilmer in response to: JamesGilmer
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Interesting that this particular debate should come up, considering I've been considering writing a blog on this very topic.

The short version? From a Suspension of Disbelief standpoint, we must assume that so-called "objective" works like the ICS books are also written "in-universe" - specifically, by authors in this galaxy a long, long time after the Star Wars saga piecing together information they've gathered about the GFFA. Thus, they're analagous to modern historical works, with the in-universe pieces analagous to contemporary primary sources. As any historian will tell you, both have their advantages and disadvantages to modern-day researchers, and none of them can really be called "objective."
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: May 2, 2006 2:42 PM   in response to: Nex: The T is H... in response to: Nex: The T is H...
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This isn't really the thread for it; but I find the in vs out universe debate interesting. If something is in-universe it is part of the reality of the world, though subject to the reality of that world changing.

When something is out of universe, we are admiting it is a piece of fiction, written by humans in "our" reality, and therefore subject to the fact that it is fiction, written about a fictional universe, no matter how scholarly it might be.

That's all besides the point, however, as Karen has gone to lengths to ensure that Dr Saxon's work is preserved, and has had nothing but praise for that work, and in fact has based her own story on the work of Dr Saxon.
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: May 2, 2006 1:41 PM   in response to: Arf Maul in response to: Arf Maul
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Well I would suggest that the ICS's are taken from an objective viewpoint. THey aren't acreddited in the EU as being authored by an in-universe 'scribe" as the Essential Guides are, they aren't told from anyone's perspective, therefore, they are not subject to any supposed in-universe "propaganda" that could effect what they say as they are not written with an "in-universe" context, so how can they be suceptible to in-universe propaganda or bias?
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: May 2, 2006 1:58 AM   in response to: Karen Traviss in response to: Karen Traviss
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Star Wars Galaxy Magazine #7 published the winners of the "Design an Alien" contest, where fans were encouraged to submit artwork and backstories of new SW aliens.

Are these aliens canon? The Lyco Pibex look espcially cool.

And is information from Monsters and Aliens from George Lucas canon? I am aware that The Illustrated Star Wars Universe and HoloNet News have made reference to a couple of characters from that book.

Thanks.
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: May 1, 2006 4:52 PM   in response to: JamesGilmer in response to: JamesGilmer
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It's good to see you here! I had to do a double take.

But yeah, you need both ends of the numbers scale to make the palpatining work.
(Neologism on the fly.)

I palpatine
You palpatine
He, she, it palpatines...

Etc.
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: May 1, 2006 4:15 PM   in response to: Karen Traviss in response to: Karen Traviss
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You beat me!

I was even taking time out of my lunch ;)
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Posted: May 1, 2006 4:14 PM   in response to: Nex: The T is H... in response to: Nex: The T is H...
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Actually, ODDS seems to need them to work. If they're non-canon, ODDS can't work off the story of Palpatine being the chessmaster behind everything, and ODDS specifically mentions those numbers.

Karen has said elsewhere that she views the Saxon numbers as canon, and that they have to be canon for her story to work.

If you take out the Saxon numbers, ODDS doesn't make sense, as where is the deceit?
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: May 1, 2006 4:14 PM   in response to: Nex: The T is H... in response to: Nex: The T is H...
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*+Is the new numbers for the droid and clone
canon?+

Yes.*

May I respectfully ask Tasty, what of the other
numbers from The "Revenge of the Sith Incredible
Cross-Sections" by Curtis Saxton and "Lord of War" by
Abel Pena? Are these suddenly non-canon in light of
"Odds"?


I'll remind folks of this anyway until Leland pops by - the numbers at BOTH ends of the equation are what make Odds work. (And remember you still have pieces of info missing because the reader can only see what the characters see....) Think of the numbers as an equation with Odds as part of the formula that links them: both work. Can't have one without the other.

Which is why I would never get into that argument insisting Ryan and I had rendered Curtis's stuff "wrong." We didn't. Oh, and I talk to Abel a lot, and he saw Odds before it went to press, and he was fine with it. I'm sure if you ask him he'll confirm that. We do all work together!

It's not an either-or. There. I said it again....

Over to Leland.
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: May 1, 2006 4:05 PM   in response to: Leland Y Chee in response to: Leland Y Chee
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*Is the new numbers for the droid and clone canon?

Yes.*

May I respectfully ask Tasty, what of the other numbers from The "Revenge of the Sith Incredible Cross-Sections" by Curtis Saxton and "Lord of War" by Abel Pena? Are these suddenly non-canon in light of "Odds"?
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: May 1, 2006 3:33 PM   in response to: Karen Traviss in response to: Karen Traviss
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Ms. Traviss, I understand your thoughts personally and agree with you entirely, and like always I just want to clarify the matters for the black-or-white people. I know that you have personally explained the issue beyond the call of duty on a majority of the boards, and its not fair of them to dismiss that when they keep asking.

I apologize one more time for using word "overridden" when I believe that all EU can be canon with various levels of interpretation.

Mr Chee. Thank You.

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