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The Dark Moose


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Re: Welcome some BCaT VIPs
Posted: May 11, 2006 10:09 AM   in response to: James T. Skywal... in response to: James T. Skywal...
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Folks - this is the "Welcome some BCaT VIP's" thread, not the "the dimensions and configuration of these starships aren't consistent and they must be fixed" thread.

Let's move along.

DM out
TripZero

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Re: Welcome some BCaT VIPs
Posted: May 11, 2006 9:17 AM   in response to: Leland Y Chee in response to: Leland Y Chee
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Tasty, are there plans to use the infinities lable on any future projects now that Tales is done?

I can think of a couple projects that could benefit from it, starting with a certain expansion pack... ;)

I just seems like for things like this putting the infinities logo on the product would enable more freedom for the developers and less headaches for continuity people.
KuatiKid

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Re: Welcome some BCaT VIPs
Posted: May 11, 2006 9:11 AM   in response to: James T. Skywal... in response to: James T. Skywal...
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"anyone who's really interested in continuing the debate can read my musings"

Ok. So you don't like it being a new ship. Well, that's your personal opinion, I don't see what's to discuss. Even if it was never intended to be a new ship by the people who built it, it is one now. That's just how retcons work. And they've been working hard and long for almost 30 years in SW. ;)
JamesGilmer


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Re: Welcome some BCaT VIPs
Posted: May 11, 2006 8:55 AM   in response to: Policrat' in response to: Policrat'
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"In reply to the other people who replied to my last post a page or two back - anyone who's really interested in continuing the debate can read my musings here..."

No offense, but that's not so much a debate as "I think it was kitbashed". Even if that's the case, even if we call it a retcon it's still a new ship now. That's retconning in action. That even fits with the point of your essay in that it's a fictional universe. Well, now we have an official answer that the hanger-less SD is canon, no matter what sort of kit it was made from back in the day.

I'm at a bit of a loss to see how it really matters beyond "I don't want it to be a different ship", which again, isn't really a debate.

However, this isn't the thread for it so I should probably scoot on out.

I do think it's nice that even years later we can flesh out the universe and find things to expand on, it's one of the strengths of SW, imo.
JamesGilmer


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Re: Welcome some BCaT VIPs
Posted: May 11, 2006 8:46 AM   in response to: KuatiKid in response to: KuatiKid
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"Guess Palpatine either got it back later on, or destroyed it and put a lid on the whole matter."

Knowing how close he likes to play his cards, I think if we take this as in-continuity (and I don't know about fitting these games into continuity, I don't really see the point), then it's possible we're seeing a prototype that Palpatine had constructed in secret, or a forerunner to the final Eclipse design.
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Re: Welcome some BCaT VIPs
Posted: May 11, 2006 7:43 AM   in response to: Leland Y Chee in response to: Leland Y Chee
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Tasty: I have no idea.

Thanks anyway! :D

If you have no idea what any of these debates are about, take my advice and save yourself some agony: don't ask.

You probably don't want me to ask about the A-wing, then... ;)

In reply to the other people who replied to my last post a page or two back - anyone who's really interested in continuing the debate can read my musings here...

Pol'
KuatiKid

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Re: Welcome some BCaT VIPs
Posted: May 10, 2006 12:56 PM   in response to: Leland Y Chee in response to: Leland Y Chee
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Didn't want to say anything, but since you posted it: @___@!!!

Well, THIS certainly came out of nowhere. I've actually been quietly speculating how this Tyber Zann fits into everything. That's going to be quite a retcon. Still, a functional Eclipse in the Rebellion era is pretty nifty. Guess Palpatine either got it back later on, or destroyed it and put a lid on the whole matter.

Since there are Starvipers in the trailer, is it possible Xizor is secretly sponsoring Zann's efforts? The guy is known to play more than one side at the same time... ;)

@AdmNick22: I think I read somewhere that only the MC80B came after Endor (1/2 year or so).
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Re: Welcome some BCaT VIPs
Posted: May 10, 2006 11:01 AM   in response to: Leland Y Chee in response to: Leland Y Chee
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darn! posting error X2
AdmiralNick22


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Re: Welcome some BCaT VIPs
Posted: May 10, 2006 11:01 AM   in response to: Leland Y Chee in response to: Leland Y Chee
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posting error x1
AdmiralNick22


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Re: Welcome some BCaT VIPs
Posted: May 10, 2006 10:59 AM   in response to: Leland Y Chee in response to: Leland Y Chee
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Tasty-Taste:

I have a question that I was hoping the Holocron may have the answer for. Does it provide any info on whether the MC80a variant of the Mon Calamari cruiser was first used? There has beene some debate about this, specifically because when WEG made the stats for the MC80a they (and the paragraph description) were almost 100% identical to the MC80 stats and paragraph.

So, the core of my question is this- were they both used during the Rebellion or did the MC80a come into being after the founding of the New Republic.

Sorry if this is complicated or dull, but it has been bugging me. :)

--Adm. Nick
Leland Y Chee


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Re: Welcome some BCaT VIPs
Posted: May 10, 2006 10:32 AM   in response to: James T. Skywal... in response to: James T. Skywal...
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More fuel for the Super Star Destroyer continuity discussion. Check out the trailer for the Star Wars: Empire at War expansion, Forces of Corruption:
http://www.starwars.com/gaming/videogames/news/eawfoctraile r.html
jSarek


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Re: Welcome some BCaT VIPs
Posted: May 10, 2006 4:12 AM   in response to: Rainbow Droideka in response to: Rainbow Droideka
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Raingbow Drsideka:

*Wait, did I miss something? When was Sheltay Retrac established as Winter's mother? Or was this in Dark Lord or something.... *

It was in Star Wars Chronicles: The Prequels, IIRC.
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Re: Welcome some BCaT VIPs
Posted: May 10, 2006 3:35 AM   in response to: Leland Y Chee in response to: Leland Y Chee
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There are about four different small sections that would need to be added to the short version to achieve the added length of the practical model. Believe it or not, the size of the cockpit and the engines match up pretty closely in all three versions.

Good work, Tasty! I'd long suspected that the most serious of the apparent discrepancies were just perspective issues....
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Re: Welcome some BCaT VIPs
Posted: May 10, 2006 3:33 AM   in response to: Leland Y Chee in response to: Leland Y Chee
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*Is Winter's full (married) name actually Winter Retrac Celchu or is that speculative at this time?
Speculative. We have not yet said whether Winter ever used the Retrac name. I'm not even sure if we even used "Winter Celchu" anywhere.*

Wait, did I miss something? When was Sheltay Retrac established as Winter's mother? Or was this in Dark Lord or something....
KuatiKid

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Re: Welcome some BCaT VIPs
Posted: May 10, 2006 1:10 AM   in response to: James T. Skywal... in response to: James T. Skywal...
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Maybe the window in the ROTS model covered a bigger part than just the cockpit, and this was covered up in-between eras?

And thanks for the answer, Tasty, I think I'll take an extended break to come up with better questions that don't make me sound like a broken record. ;)
Grand Moff Magn...


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Re: Welcome some BCaT VIPs
Posted: May 9, 2006 2:34 PM   in response to: James T. Skywal... in response to: James T. Skywal...
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Thank you for your reply, Tasty!

Believe it or not, the size of the cockpit and the engines match up pretty closely in all three versions.

It wasn't as much the size of the cockpit section itself, but rather the size of the cockpit window and the proportions of it compared to the rest of the cockpit section I referred to. If you look at the front of the cockpit section of the ANH model (the same model was modified for ROTJ as you pointed out) and compare it to the ROTS CG model, you'll find that the window of the latter is wider compared to the rest of the cockpit section in the former and that the proportions of the round "hatches" below the window are different with the ANH model indicating a larger scale.

EDIT: This German site has some nice pictures taken during an exhibition. The picture in the lower left corner is pretty much what I was referring to:
http://www.pho xim.de/blockaderunner/blockaderunner03.html

But this is details really.
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Re: Welcome some BCaT VIPs
Posted: May 9, 2006 2:03 PM   in response to: James T. Skywal... in response to: James T. Skywal...
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Tasty Taste, are there any plans for the Venator Star Destroyer to make a cameo appearance in a Rebellion Era source? =)
If there are plans, no one's told me about it. There's nothing that would preclude a Rebellion Era source from using it.

the ROTS Tantive bears a heavy resemblance to the blueprint in the Star Wars Sourcebook
The only difference that I know of between the Sourcebook and the Ep III CG model is that the engines are separated from the main body in the Ep III version. I only know of one practical model that was built for Eps IV through VI which is the same model that you link to. That's the model I overlayed against the Sourcebook blueprint and the Ep III CG model. There are about four different small sections that would need to be added to the short version to achieve the added length of the practical model. Believe it or not, the size of the cockpit and the engines match up pretty closely in all three versions.
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Re: Welcome some BCaT VIPs
Posted: May 9, 2006 11:59 AM   in response to: James T. Skywal... in response to: James T. Skywal...
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Though, I don't know the reasons for the use of the shorter blueprint, if you overlay top view images of the ship, suprisingly, the width of of the cockpit, the body, and the engines match up perfectly.

I guess you have better source material, but IMHO the ROTS Tantive bears a heavy resemblance to the blueprint in the Star Wars Sourcebook which has differences to the ANH model (the aforementioned inverted neck, the missing hull section etc. It's interesting that the cockpit issue is mentioned in the online ROTS DVD commentary. If the cockpit size of the original ANH model, which had a smaller cockpit window had been retained on the ROTS CG model, that would've matched up with the interior set).
I think this overhead picture of the ANH blockade runner model in the TPM workshop that can be found at the bottom of this page illustrates some of the differences I've mentioned:

http://www.starwars.com/episode-i/bts/production/f19980223/indexp2.html
KuatiKid

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Re: Welcome some BCaT VIPs
Posted: May 9, 2006 10:21 AM   in response to: James T. Skywal... in response to: James T. Skywal...
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Tasty Taste, are there any plans for the Venator Star Destroyer to make a cameo appearance in a Rebellion Era source? =)
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Re: Welcome some BCaT VIPs
Posted: May 9, 2006 9:53 AM   in response to: KuatiKid in response to: KuatiKid
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Is Winter's full (married) name actually Winter Retrac Celchu or is that speculative at this time?
Speculative. We have not yet said whether Winter ever used the Retrac name. I'm not even sure if we even used "Winter Celchu" anywhere.

any word yet on Mon Mothma's marital status
Sorry, no current plans to expand upon Mon Mothma's family tree.

If it is the same ship then why is it shorter in ROTS than it is in ANH. Was it a mistake or was it done on purpose? ... Well, there's more than that. The proportions are off...
Though, I don't know the reasons for the use of the shorter blueprint, if you overlay top view images of the ship, suprisingly, the width of of the cockpit, the body, and the engines match up perfectly.

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