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darthmilo77


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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Oct 19, 2009 7:23 AM   in response to: mason_1701 in response to: mason_1701
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It also puts Volume 1 of the Genndy series in the first "months" of the war, which is good news for everyone who was afraid of the one month figure given in Wild Space of Anakin's padawanness during the war.

I notice they also put Rendili in the third year. Uh-oh.
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Oct 19, 2009 6:20 AM   in response to: Vitas Varnas in response to: Vitas Varnas
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The Clone Wars section of The Essential Atlas had a good description of Clone Wars events. It had the stance of not necessarily stating the year every battle is in, although for some it does say "in the last year". That includes Praesitlyn, which in my opinion is wrong, but for the rest of it it simply described the events, in no particular order. More grouping the events by medium than by timeline (TCW, novels, comics). Especially since the stories told in the novels, with the exception of Jedi Trial and Labyrinth of Evil, did not show massive battles (as the comics and TV show did) but showed smaller events, featuring one or two Jedi and a few clones. Different type of storytelling, different type of war per the atlas.

And it does mention the Genndy series (in fact, it references every battle of seasons 1 and 2).
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Oct 18, 2009 3:34 PM   in response to: Leland Y Chee in response to: Leland Y Chee
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Dear Leland Y Chee

Does the Holocron know what happened to Triclops and Ken?

Note: Please no one say that they're non-canon cause I know they're canon and I'm waiting for Leland's answer.
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Posted: Oct 18, 2009 10:22 AM   in response to: ulic_g99 in response to: ulic_g99
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In this respect, him saying the Emperor doesn't get cloned, etc. is not supposed to be taken as a random statement of things he doesn't agree with (which would be very strange, since he actually personally approved the clone Emperor plot instead of the original Dark Empire story draft in which Palpatine did not come back, which he rejected), I believe he's just underlining that these things are not part of the Darth Vader story; Palps clones and Luke's marriage are not the next installment of that story, once Vader's dead, that story's over.
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Posted: Oct 18, 2009 10:21 AM   in response to: ulic_g99 in response to: ulic_g99
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That doesn't however mean that there can't be other stories set after it; I think what he was getting at was that these extra stories should not be thought of as a straight continuation of the saga, an effective Episode VII, they're new stories happening after the Darth Vader storyline, not part of it.

When he says "And now there have been novels about the events after Episode VI, which isn't at all what I would have done with it.", I would suggest he means that what happens after that story is not what he would have made a hypothetical Episode VII about; in a previous interview, he has said that the post-RotJ time period, with all the characters settling down, is simply not movie worthy in his opinion, and he's never had any ideas about what happens then.
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Oct 18, 2009 10:21 AM   in response to: DestroyerDroid#... in response to: DestroyerDroid#...
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As Darthmilo says, I think it's important to take into account the context of the above quote; it's only a partial excerpt of a longer interview.

At that point, Lucas was talking about the likelihood of continuing the movie saga, making an Episode VII - he was adamant that he wouldn't, as the saga is over; the saga is the story of Darth Vader, so once he is dead, the story is over, there can be no continuation to Darth Vader's story, anymore than there can be another installment of the Thrawn trilogy after Thrawn dies.
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Oct 18, 2009 10:19 AM   in response to: DestroyerDroid#... in response to: DestroyerDroid#...
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GL alowed these novels to be written about the events after episode 6 and obviously didnt control the events that took place, and now he just plain says they never happened?

He doesn't mean that he's retconning those events away. He means that from his point of view, the story of Star Wars is just that of the films. He's said that "nothing" happens after Episode VI, yet the universe presumably doesn't cease to exist.
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Posted: Oct 18, 2009 1:10 AM   in response to: Leland Y Chee in response to: Leland Y Chee
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Hmm I see.... Thank you for discussing this. I'm glad there are other fans that are equally distraught over these recent shows... I mean don't get me wrong I still enjoy watching them immensely, but it's just hard for me to take it seriously because of so many inconsistencies.

And now there have been novels about the events after Episode VI, which isn't at all what I would have done with it. The Star Wars story is really the tragedy of Darth Vader. That is the story. Once Vader dies, he doesn't come back to life, the Emperor doesn't get cloned and Luke doesn't get married..."

This is a quote from GL out from wookiepidia. GL alowed these novels to be written about the events after episode 6 and obviously didnt control the events that took place, and now he just plain says they never happened? I can understand the aggravation of the authors, (Karen Traviss) Well heck I would be furious if I wrote a series of books and GL Doesnt even give it any credit...
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Oct 17, 2009 12:13 PM   in response to: darthmilo77 in response to: darthmilo77
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Mr. Chee, the Nintendo DS version of The Clone Wars: Republic Heroes features a different storyline from all other versions, a storyline, that directly contradicts the show, as many events, including Mission to Skytop Station and Ambush on the moon of Vassek are portrayed quite differently. Could you please clarify if that makes all Nintendo DS storyline non-canon, only the elements that contradict the TV series, or none of the above, in which case the events of the game still happened in some way concurrent with the events of the show? Thank you.
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Oct 17, 2009 10:56 AM   in response to: DestroyerDroid#... in response to: DestroyerDroid#...
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Lucas is the one who is pulling the strings of power in the matter you bring up, not Filoni.

That doesn't mean that Filoni has no part, though. For someone who's allegedly an EU buff, he doesn't seem to know much or care about it as evidenced by interviews. Also, he's kind of a hack.

One more point... I hear that this new series completely erases the old Clonewars series that tarskosky or whatever did, Is this true?

Probably not. In the Clone Wars continuity thread, it says that no work will be entirely removed from canon because of TCW. If you mean the problem with Anakin being knighted, that's still being worked out, but considering how many people saw and liked the original show, I strongly doubt it will stop existing, even if it is out of print on DVD.
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Posted: Oct 17, 2009 3:44 AM   in response to: DestroyerDroid#... in response to: DestroyerDroid#...
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this is a disaster for those that really want to keep a track exactly of what happened in the CloneWars

Of course it is. To keep track of the Clone Wars events, it might be better to forget about TCW's continuity. Instead, just take the old timeline as your personal canon and enjoy whatever TCW episode you like without thinking about its timeline placement. I fear there'll never be one really non-conflicting timeline. The reason for this is quite understandable: Old CW material has a more mature audience than the new TCW material. I'm not a real fan of TCW but still like the less childish aspects of it. That's the way I tend to think about any Star Wars material oriented more towards younger readers/players/whatever (JJK, YJK, even Jedi Prince series).
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Posted: Oct 17, 2009 12:54 AM   in response to: Leland Y Chee in response to: Leland Y Chee
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I hear that George Lucas Does has not even read 1 novel from the EU, doesnt that sound like a receipie for disaster when it comes to canon? What infuriates me even more is that this new Clonewars series doesnt even follow any type of timeline, each episode is in some random point in the Clone wars, it defenitly doesnt help set excitement for the series, I mean sure, there is sometimes like 3 episodes in a row that tell a story, but the whole series is one collection of random stories? I mean this is a disaster for those that really want to keep a track exactly of what happened in the CloneWars. One more point... I hear that this new series completely erases the old Clonewars series that tarskosky or whatever did, Is this true? if so that is a horrible blow to someone who poured there hard effort into a part of the Saga. Please Leeland, you are one of our last hopes to right so many wrongs.
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Oct 16, 2009 8:02 AM   in response to: DestroyerDroid#... in response to: DestroyerDroid#...
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Lucas is the one who is pulling the strings of power in the matter you bring up, not Filoni. And yes, to the chagrin of many fans, the man himself does have the power to violate EU continuity at will.
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Posted: Oct 16, 2009 12:00 AM   in response to: Leland Y Chee in response to: Leland Y Chee
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I have a question that really concerns me. I have heard rumers that Karen Traviss has decided to quit writing books becuase some of the materials in dave Filonis Clonewars Cartoons have contradicted her writings, this is very upsetting to me, at what point does very established starwars authors have a say to the canon, does Dave Filoni have complete reign to change a very important period in Starwars History it just doesnt seem fair to give all that power to one man. Thank you for showing concern to the fans.
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Oct 12, 2009 2:33 PM   in response to: Leland Y Chee in response to: Leland Y Chee
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Is the character Ten Numb not in Return of the Jedi any more?

The recent Nien Nunb action figure packaging states that it is Nien in the red B-Wing outfit at the Rebel briefing, and the Ask Lobot feature in Insider 112 agrees, also staring that it is Nien at the Endor celebration. The Ask Lobot column says not to confuse Nien with the white-clad Ten.

Previously, it had been believed that the orange-pilot-suited Sullustan was Ten. Ten never wears white in the movie, only in a pre-production photo.

So, does this mean that Ten isn't in the movie anymore?
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Oct 12, 2009 12:18 PM   in response to: darthmilo77 in response to: darthmilo77
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^ great way of breaking that down.
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Posted: Oct 10, 2009 7:56 PM   in response to: darthmilo77 in response to: darthmilo77
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1. Officially and most precisely, BBY/ABY is a relative measurement, not a calendar. Something that happened two months before Episode IV would be marked 2 months BBY, or 0.16 BBY, or rounded to 0 BBY, but saying an event happened "in 0 BBY" would be incorrect. This is the system employed in sources such as The New Essential Chronology and can be illustrated by this picture.
2. Less precisely, some sources use it as a calendar. The same event that was two months before Episode IV would be marked 1 BBY, as with anything in the year leading up to the Battle of Yavin. This is the system used in sources that say things like "The Battle of Naboo happened in 32 BBY," and can be illustrated by this picture.

If a VIP reads this, thank you for your help.
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Oct 10, 2009 7:55 PM   in response to: KuatiKid in response to: KuatiKid
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Timeline question:

As some of you may or may not be aware, there's been some hubbub and/or kerfuffle on Wookieepedia over the last few days regarding the BBY/ABY system, specifically regarding the year leading up to the events of Episode IV and its designation. Leland Chee generously answered an email from Nathan Butler, but just a little more clarification is required since it affects a huge site-spanning policy. It would be a huge help if any Licensing VIP (especially Leland Chee) could confirm or deny the following statements:
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Posted: Oct 7, 2009 2:00 PM   in response to: Leland Y Chee in response to: Leland Y Chee
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Have a question for Chee about the Oliver Denker books that were published in Germany in the late nineties. I saw a partial translation and discussion on TFN and was wondering if they have any kind of official status, even if some info is by now outdated.
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Sep 29, 2009 11:00 AM   in response to: DarthMRN in response to: DarthMRN
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(not to mention the backbone of the EU)

Exactly. My feeling was just that it would be terrible and unjustified to throw that out - but I see that making it a separate category is way better than throwing it out, and thus a great idea/decision if throwing it out was the alternative.

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