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mattobiwan


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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Aug 10, 2010 10:19 AM   in response to: darthmilo77 in response to: darthmilo77
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If that's the working explanation, it only works because she's a Skywalker. People tend to not remember their birth--for a very good reason.
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Aug 10, 2010 9:52 AM   in response to: QuiWanKenJin in response to: QuiWanKenJin
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Really? My mistake then, I thought that's what he said. Still, it seems easier to reconcile the word of a known liar than remembering Padme. I mean, I don't think "maturing earlier" usually applies to the ages of between 0 and 1 minute old. I'm fine with the explanation of Leia being naturally empathetic through the Force though (would have come in handy later as a politician).

Edited by: darthmilo77 on Aug 10, 2010 9:53 AM
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Aug 10, 2010 9:22 AM   in response to: darthmilo77 in response to: darthmilo77
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A problem with that. The term "would have" is missing from the sentence. "Your father WANTED you to have this, when you were old enough." LFL could easily fix this, if they were to petition an author to put a similar scene (I suggested) into a novel before episode III. Though I don't know if GL would have a problem with someone else cleaning up his unintentional mess.
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Aug 10, 2010 9:15 AM   in response to: mattobiwan in response to: mattobiwan
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That one is easily remedied. Leia was force sensitive. She unintentionally picked up on her mother's emotional state through the force, after birth. The reason why Luke couldn't form such a "force bond" so quickly, is because girls mature faster than boys, including their force powers.
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Aug 9, 2010 9:41 PM   in response to: Leland Y Chee in response to: Leland Y Chee
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He can call it what he wants, but Obi-Wan is already lying like a rug at that point. From his "certain point of view," Anakin at some time or another probably would have wanted his son to have it. He said Luke's father would have wanted him to have it when he was old enough, not that he specifically did want that. I see it as a non-issue.

Leland:
Did GL approve this retcon?

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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Aug 9, 2010 8:29 PM   in response to: QuiWanKenJin in response to: QuiWanKenJin
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An interesting question, QuiWan. I'm wondering how you thought this harder to retcon than Leia saying she remembered her mother. That's what I believe to be the weirdest bit of continuity, anyway.
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Aug 9, 2010 7:33 PM   in response to: Leland Y Chee in response to: Leland Y Chee
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Dear Leland Chee,

I tried to email this question to you, but I seem to keep getting an error message. As you probably know there are a number of inconsistencies between the PT and the CT. I've been able to eliminate all but one. In Star Wars episode IV Obi-Wan gives Luke his fathers lightsaber and says,"your father wanted you to have this when you were old enough." No where in the movies does Anakin ever say this. Is there an explanation for this, perhaps in one of the novels? Or was this a mistake by GL that really doesn't have any retconn. Other than, Obi-Wan lied? Thank you so much. If there is no explanation then, maybe Lucasfilm could petition a novelist to put this scene in a clone wars novel: Anakin: Master.
Obi-Wan: Yes Anakin
Anakin:If I had a son.....
Obi-Wan: Anakin, you know that a Jedi is forbidden from such acts.
Anakin: I know master, just saying hypothetically. Let's say if Jedi were
allowed to have such things and you had a son, and you couldn't be around for
him, like some of these refugees we just encountered, it makes me think
about it. If you were them and you had one last time to see your son, before
you died, what would you pass on to him?
Obi-Wan: If it was me, I would desire him to know the ways of the force, as I
have and I would give him my lightsaber to remember me.
Anakin: Master, if it were me, that is what I would do as well. ........Fixed! peace

Edited by: QuiWanKenJin on Aug 9, 2010 7:41 PM
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Aug 9, 2010 6:25 PM   in response to: Mira Lodo in response to: Mira Lodo
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Mira Lodo wrote:
I would like to see the "real" story about how the droids got lost/returned. It would be nice to bring the whole thing full circle. Unfortunately, as readers of my timeline know, I have some serious dating issues with the cartoon series, and these would have to be rectified before further tales could be told.

Having just rewatched the entire Droids series for Republic Forces Radio Network, I'm curious what those issues are.
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Aug 9, 2010 5:35 PM   in response to: lukevanhorn in response to: lukevanhorn
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I would like to see the "real" story about how the droids got lost/returned. It would be nice to bring the whole thing full circle. Unfortunately, as readers of my timeline know, I have some serious dating issues with the cartoon series, and these would have to be rectified before further tales could be told.
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Aug 8, 2010 12:00 PM   in response to: Nathan P. Butler in response to: Nathan P. Butler
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Nathan P. Butler wrote:Wasn't the refit itself part of the retcon through What's The Story that explained the droids being "lost" from the ship? Wasn't it during a refit shakedown?
The Droids retcon is from the What's the Story entry for Corla Metonae. There's nothing there about a refit or a shakedown. It says the droids were lost while testing the escape pods. If the test was done during a shakedown, then that's from a different source.
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Aug 8, 2010 8:29 AM   in response to: Nathan P. Butler in response to: Nathan P. Butler
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That's was after ROTS, though, which the Tantive IV is now said to be a CR90 during.
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Aug 7, 2010 8:39 PM   in response to: blackmyron in response to: blackmyron
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Wasn't the refit itself part of the retcon through What's The Story that explained the droids being "lost" from the ship? Wasn't it during a refit shakedown?
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Posted: Aug 7, 2010 7:56 PM   in response to: KuatiKid in response to: KuatiKid
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Query: does this mean that the Tantive IV is now a CR90 corvette from day one, since it no longer requires the 'fix' of the c20 Vanguard refit? Or does the original story of it being a CR70 first stand, just with it being refitted prior to ROTS? (Blueprints: Rebel Edition seems to imply the ship was always a CR90 now)
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Aug 7, 2010 11:01 AM   in response to: Leland Y Chee in response to: Leland Y Chee
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Not my preferred fix (we basically get the Sundered Heart as a heavily refitted CR90 corvette in EAW, so it still has a problem), but it's ok, two named ships for the price of one. :D

Any chance of an answer to my question from May? It's on the previous page and concerns potential internal Holocron info.
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Aug 7, 2010 5:42 AM   in response to: Leland Y Chee in response to: Leland Y Chee
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Thanks, Leland. That's what I thought.



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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Aug 7, 2010 2:30 AM   in response to: Leland Y Chee in response to: Leland Y Chee
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Yes, this retcon applies to all of the Corellian corvette scenes in ROTS. The Tantive IV is a CR90 at the time of ROTS.

Edited by: Leland Y Chee on Aug 7, 2010 2:31 AM
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Aug 6, 2010 6:48 PM   in response to: Master Optician in response to: Master Optician
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No, if it only says Alderaan, Bail would have switched at some point. Since they were all trying to lose any possible pursuers, this makes sense. Obi-Wan went to Nar Shaddaa with Luke in the Soulless One and bought passage to Tattooine, Yoda hitched a ride with an automated Polis Massan freighter and ejected an escape pod near Dagobah, Bail switched corvettes. Seems reasonable enough.

Edited by: KuatiKid on Aug 6, 2010 6:50 PM
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Aug 6, 2010 6:04 PM   in response to: KuatiKid in response to: KuatiKid
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Doesn't this retcon apply to all scenes in ROTS?



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Posted: Aug 6, 2010 5:42 PM   in response to: Leland Y Chee in response to: Leland Y Chee
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The book only says it took Bail and Leia to Alderaan, which means the Tantive IV is in all the earlier scenes.
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Aug 6, 2010 4:22 PM   in response to: Sompeetalay in response to: Sompeetalay
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Wow. Seeing that ship and thinking it was the Tantive IV was a huge thrill. Probably as much a thrill as seeing Alderaan and Kashyyyk was. Sorry to hear that had to change.



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