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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Sep 29, 2010 6:43 AM   in response to: ulic_g99 in response to: ulic_g99
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Does this help at all, or was it the background for your asking in the first place?
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Sep 28, 2010 6:11 PM   in response to: Leland Y Chee in response to: Leland Y Chee
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Hi Mr Chee, I’ve was wondering if I could ask a couple of questions regarding referencing within in the Holocron:

1) Within the Holocron, how are the firepower statistics of ships and vehicles derived and recorded? Do you simply use statistics taken from a source where figures are specifically listed (such as the Inside the Worlds/Incredible Cross-sections books, RPG sourcebooks or novels where a firepower figure is stated) or do you take into account the various descriptions and depictions of firepower displayed in the different Star Wars sources and amalgamate them in some way to derive a figure?

2) On a similar note (and I could be mistaken about this as I’m working from memory, so apologies if this is the case), I was under the impression that former Star Wars author Gary Sarli mentioned a while ago now that he considered the firepower statistics in the Attack of the Clones Incredible Cross-sections book to be incorrect and said he would discuss the possibility of creating a more appropriate retcon for them with Lucas Licensing; did this ever come to pass, or are the firepower statistics within the AotC ICS still considered canonical by the Holocron?
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Sep 27, 2010 1:20 PM   in response to: mason_1701 in response to: mason_1701
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Maybe because the enemy could easily maneuver to the poles. After all, they're still closer to the poles. You would need a really good microjump to beat them to the planet's surface.
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Sep 27, 2010 6:32 AM   in response to: KuatiKid in response to: KuatiKid
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KuatiKid wrote:
Space is big, there's no need for every aspect of a battle to be within visual range.

Your answer makes sense in theory, but if it were just a matter of "space is big", then why didn't they attack the planet from its poles? All sci-fi does it, when they protect a planet by putting a fleet along the equator, and the enemy attacks from the equator. Or they put a fleet along one specific spacelane, when they could easily go up and over it. Come at the planet from a different angle!

That bothered me in ARC Troopers. It bothers me more in Star Trek though (see the series finale of DS9, where the Dominion puts a fleet on the direct path between DS9 and Cardassia, and the UFP plows right through it instead of going over.


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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Sep 26, 2010 4:11 AM   in response to: Le Passant in response to: Le Passant
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"(besides some mistakes, like the holo of the battle, absolutely inconsistent)"

If you're thinking about the Lucrehulks in the holo, this can easily be explained as them holding back, letting the frigates and destroyers engage the Republic fleet while they send out fighters from afar. Space is big, there's no need for every aspect of a battle to be within visual range.
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Sep 23, 2010 5:38 AM   in response to: IllogicalRogue2 in response to: IllogicalRogue2
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IllogicalRogue2 wrote:
I want to know about Twilight, Anakin wrecks the ship in TCW movie, and yet it's all patched up in the series. When did he have the time and equipment to salvage the ship?

Perhaps it can be said that there's a short delay between the film and Downfall/Duel (which is tentatively said to the be the first arc following the film)? Long enough to recover the ship and put the wing back on?

It may have been a quick patch job too. After all, only a short time later, the ship lost its lower wing again (in Slaves of the Republic), and I thought it crashed or got damaged a third time as well (I forget the source though).


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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Sep 22, 2010 11:31 PM   in response to: Xicer in response to: Xicer
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I want to know about Twilight, Anakin wrecks the ship in TCW movie, and yet it's all patched up in the series. When did he have the time and equipment to salvage the ship?
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Sep 22, 2010 10:30 PM   in response to: Leland Y Chee in response to: Leland Y Chee
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Hey Mr. Chee, I have a question concerning the son of Mon Mothma, Jobin. It has come to my attention that The Complete Star Wars Encyclopedia has identified him as the Rebel officer in Episode V who can be heard informing Echo Base personnel about the presence of Imperial troops: "Imperial troops have entered the base! Imperial troops have..." Reading the comic "Entrenched" however, it looks like the writers of the CSWE misinterpreted the series of events. The officer in the comic who is shown giving the above warning is clearly not Jobin, as Jobin is busy trying to reach the ion cannon's fire control button the same time the warning is given, and subsequently has to fight off a snowtrooper. The officer who gives the warning is also shot mid-transmission. Are we to take the comic's representation as fact and dismiss the CSWE as being mistaken? Thanks.
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Sep 21, 2010 1:33 PM   in response to: DarthMRN in response to: DarthMRN
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DarthMRN wrote:
Why? You got any official statements?

Aside from being obvious, some developer said in a video interview, when questioned about canon, that the only thing canon in the game is the TV series content. No mini-games or places (in-game) belong to canon.
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Sep 21, 2010 4:59 AM   in response to: jedimalis in response to: jedimalis
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jedimalis wrote:
DarthMRN wrote:
Well, if Clone Wars Adventures isn't "just for fun", I'm gonna cry. Amazing how much continuity violation and inexplicable nonsense such a small game can contain.

What? That game was never supposed to be canon. There's no story, just mini-games.


Oh, I'm sure some of it has to be just a teensy bit canon. Like that giant wheel-of-fortune in the main Jedi lobby. I now understand why Qui-Gon immediately resorted to gambling everything he owned (or rather, did not own) without a second thought. It's obviously the Jedi way!
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Sep 20, 2010 4:26 PM   in response to: jedimalis in response to: jedimalis
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Why? You got any official statements? Cause I am wary of just deciding that something has to be non-continuity because of its contents. It leads dangerously close to personal continuity.

I also thought they included bits and pieces that fitted too well with the series itself for a work with no continuity value. As if the creators actually wanted to add to the universe a little. And within a continuity paradigm where individual elements can have value above and beyond the source they are part of, we can't really be sure of anything.

Naturally, I can't imagine it being anything more than S-canon, tops. So there aren't any real practical consequences. It is just that I have been reading over lots of Leland commentary lately, some of them related to games, making it plain that this medium receives more leeway than perhaps any other. Others demonstrating how sources with inexplicable elements can still be part of continuity, just with a caveat that the silly stuff isn't real, just artistic license. It left a sour taste in my mouth about just how much Licensing will let through the gates that they IMO shouldn't.
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Sep 20, 2010 11:43 AM   in response to: DarthMRN in response to: DarthMRN
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DarthMRN wrote:
Well, if Clone Wars Adventures isn't "just for fun", I'm gonna cry. Amazing how much continuity violation and inexplicable nonsense such a small game can contain.

What? That game was never supposed to be canon. There's no story, just mini-games.
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Sep 19, 2010 3:44 PM   in response to: Le Passant in response to: Le Passant
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So the question is : does the timeline from In the Republic Service is correct ?

If we're taking the note at the beginning that says it takes place in 22 BBY seriously, the most it could be is seven or so months, since the war started in the fifth month. I also noticed the same thing when I got that issue.

I haven't seen either of the new episodes yet, but I do like what I've heard of them and I'm looking forward to being able to watch them online.
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Sep 19, 2010 10:30 AM   in response to: Leland Y Chee in response to: Leland Y Chee
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I'm pretty impressed by the Arc Troopers episode.

It's well realized (besides some mistakes, like the holo of the battle, absolutely inconsistent), with a good (but too short) battle, a very good Ventress/Anakin duel...well, I liked it.

I'm pretty sure this episode can be a key to the chronology : it's very clear in it that many times passed since Geonosis : Clone Cadets show the war is already advanced (presence of ARC Troopers, need of fresh men...), and in the second episode it's said that Fives and Echo wasn't there for some times. This means that the series started when the war wages since several monthes, and not one, since the rookies were...rookies in the Rookies episode, but veteran in ARC Troopers.

This, plus the In the Republic Service "one year after Geonosis" and the wound of Wolffe can be a good thing, for a TCW season One in the last monthes of the first year, and Season Two and Three in the second year of the war.

So the question is : does the timeline from In the Republic Service is correct ?

Edited by: Le Passant on Sep 19, 2010 10:31 AM
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Sep 19, 2010 10:00 AM   in response to: darthmilo77 in response to: darthmilo77
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Well, if Clone Wars Adventures isn't "just for fun", I'm gonna cry. Amazing how much continuity violation and inexplicable nonsense such a small game can contain.

On the plus side, though, I loved the Stunt Gungan thing. Hilarious. Makes me wonder if GL created Jar Jar just so tie-in material could be created that capitalized upon people's desire to watch him suffer.
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Sep 18, 2010 9:11 AM   in response to: jSarek in response to: jSarek
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That would be a good idea. The endnotes for the Atlas do point out that they don't quite specifically say whether or not it rotates, just that it has an unusual rotation pattern, so if there are indeed planets in real life that would satisfy both requirements for most story purposes (the stories until now have taken place in the same season or something) that would work.
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Sep 18, 2010 3:08 AM   in response to: Darrth Morrt in response to: Darrth Morrt
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For better or for worse, The Essential Atlas (and presumably other new sources) has already gone with a rotating Ryloth. It seems the tide-locked version of the planet is gone.

Still, I'd like to see them give the world a high axial tilt like Uranus has. That way, during spring and fall, you'd have normal, recognizable days, while in summer and winter, you'd have one face in darkness and the other bathed in light, like the old tide locked version.

Edited by: jSarek on Sep 18, 2010 3:08 AM
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Sep 12, 2010 4:46 PM   in response to: Darrth Morrt in response to: Darrth Morrt
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That would work great. There are many retcons that would work great and make TCW just fine in regards to canon. Licensing doesn't tend to use these retcons.
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Sep 12, 2010 2:37 PM   in response to: Leland Y Chee in response to: Leland Y Chee
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Mr. Chee,

I have an idea for solving the continuity error regarding the rotation of Ryloth without ruining the old materials, but with keeping mind that T-canon overrides them.
What if the tidal lock of Ryloth to its star is not strong. Maybe it's moons cause an erratic tidal lock. This way half of the planet is hot, the other is cold, and the twilight zone moves back and forth. This slight move produces the 30-hours day-cycle, which is not the real astronomical day of the planet, just a light-dark cycle in the twilight zone. Could a teore like this solve the contradiction?

The other problem is Windu's "one planetary rotation", but it could be explained. I always thought that people in space use the standard time, because the nearby planetary time is irrelevant for them. So I would say that "one planetary rotation" is a just a refined phrase for "one standard day", when people use the standard time.

I think these explanations do not harm the Ryloth Trilogy of TCW or Canon-system.
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Sep 10, 2010 1:16 PM   in response to: Leland Y Chee in response to: Leland Y Chee
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Hello, Mr. Chee. I was wondering if the representation of Revan in the Timeline videos 8 and 9 are supposed to be canonical depictions? I remember when you said here that the figure's representation was a possible version of Revan, and since Rob Chestney said here that the images were Gnost Dural's interpretation, and not entirely accurate, since there is 300 years separating his recordings and the end of the Jedi Civil War. So, because the videos depict Revan as a light-skinned man with black, flowing hair, does this mean that he indeed was, or is this merely a possible version, as the figure was? Thanks in advance for your response, Mr. Chee.

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