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lukevanhorn


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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Oct 22, 2010 10:26 AM   in response to: Darth_Vile87 in response to: Darth_Vile87
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It's 12 months, not 10. Leland confirmed the change earlier this year.
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Oct 22, 2010 8:41 AM   in response to: Leland Y Chee in response to: Leland Y Chee
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I was looking at the Galactic Standard Calendar and I realized that there is no placement for the Fete Holidays, As there are 368 days with 10 months, 3 fete weeks and 3 fete holidays. The fete weeks have all been placed, with New Year Festival Week as the first week of the year, The Festival of Life between months six and seven and The Festival of Stars between months 9 and 10. So i was wondering when the fete holidays are and what they are called.
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Oct 20, 2010 11:56 PM   in response to: DarthMRN in response to: DarthMRN
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yet without Bail Organa knowing about the Sith until the Clone Wars. Who ever said SW was rational?

Argh, I'd forgotten about that...
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Oct 20, 2010 3:10 PM   in response to: DarthMRN in response to: DarthMRN
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I agree with you. I also think a different artist drew the Sith spirit of Ragnos when he branded Kun and Ulic so that might also explain why he didn't look like the Sith species. I honestly like Hayden being the spirit better because it branches the trilogies better, but thats my opinion. I also think that they should write more novels about the ancient Sith like Darth Andeddu for example or the Great Schisms. The creation of the Leviathans would be awesome too!
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Oct 20, 2010 11:59 AM   in response to: EMPIRE622 in response to: EMPIRE622
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Given what GL has done to Anakin's RotJ ghost, the difference in appearance between Ragnos in Golden Age and Ragnos in Dark Lords actually makes sense, after the fact. The Rise and Fall of Darth Vader explains that Vader was able to project an image of himself as a ghost, and apparently he could do with it as he pleased appearance-wise, seeing as he was able to look like 20-something Hayden Christensen rather than his Sebastian Shaw self. So it is plausible that Ragnos could look however he pleased too. Of course, it makes no sense that he would want to look like a human, but there you have it.


I agree on the design changes. Deplorable, but part of a larger trend of bringing the EU as close to the movies as possible. KotOR pales compared to TOR, if you hadn't noticed, what with its shameless stealing of movies-era design on every turn. It is one of the reasons I've begun to see SW history as cyclical rather than linear. That the EU is just a way of telling more movie-like stories by setting them on a chronological line, yet without much really changing over time, the way it would in real life.

Who needs alternate universes and reboots, when you can just place your desired stories on a timeline, with umpteen Sith Empires assaulting the galaxy again and again over a period of a few thousand years, yet without Bail Organa knowing about the Sith until the Clone Wars. Who ever said SW was rational?

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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Oct 20, 2010 11:43 AM   in response to: DarthMRN in response to: DarthMRN
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Okay the Sourcebook. I've never read that one. I'm not a role play gamer, but thanks for sharing that info with me. Also Marka Ragnos was a Member of the Sith Species and the comic shows him as being Human. Well even if he was a half breed he still doesn't look human in The Golden Age of The Sith so the Sourcebook does conflict with the comic. Also on a side note. Do you notice that a lot of the Technology and structures of the Tales of the Jedi era are being made to look more advanced now than ancient? seems like they want to remake all of what we know from that time. I mean look at the ships from earlier sources and compare them to these new Timeline entries. I wish they wouldn't because I like the ancient look better. If you've read the novel Crosscurrent the Harbinger seems to be more advanced than any of Sadow's fleet just by how the author describes the ship. It also states that the Massassi on board wear uniforms which is incorrect. In earlier sources they just look like natives with jewelry and a form of skirt on. They look more like the ancient Egyptians. I loved the book though, but I don't like the direction they are taking with that era. It's my favorite era besides Fate of the Jedi and the Empire era.
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Oct 20, 2010 2:27 AM   in response to: EMPIRE622 in response to: EMPIRE622
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No, both Exar and Ulics' entries in The Dark Side Sourcebook says it was Ragnos...which actually conflicts a little with the comic itself, where the leader of the host is described as the reigning Dark Lord, yet complains of the Republic attack on Sith Space during his time. It isn't quite a discrepancy, though, since we know the ghost was around to have experienced it, while the amulets could well have been made while he was alive. In any case, since the comic says the leader was the Dark Lord roughly at the time of the Republic attack, there is only a handful of people it could possibly have been. And of those, Ragnos at least, as you say, had the helmet.

Nadd's work was not complete in Ragnos opinion. Since he says: "I now complete your initiation into the power of the dark side..." while branding Kun. All Nadd did was convert Kun's Force fuel and traumatize him a bit. His goals were still his own, as they had been before. Ragnos was the one to turn him into an Empire-builder.

As for Ulic knowing about Exar, I never thought he did, no. I never thought the Jedi deliberately stopped him, or even landed on Yavin at all, the way the TOR vid makes clear, so I wasn't aware that they even knew. But since part of KotOR's reinterpretation of the TotJ era included a lengthy struggle at Yavin in stead of the Jedi blitz in the comics, per Suvam Tan, I guess this latest addition of a Jedi strike force on the ground actively preventing Kun from leaving the temple isn't too far out. Better than this vague wall of light the Jedi projected, at least. So since they apparently did know of Kun's ghost, I guess Ulic had simply fallen so far out of their grace that they kept it from him. Gave him some peace of mind too, I guess.
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Oct 19, 2010 11:33 PM   in response to: DarthMRN in response to: DarthMRN
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Thanks for agreeing, but Marka Ragnos didn't enslave Kun or Droma. If you read the comic again they ask who the Sith Lords where when they appeared to brand the Sith markings on them, and the spirits said "Its not important who we are" or something to that effect. If you thought that the helmets the Sith were wearing meant that was Ragnos sorry, but that was a common helmet for Sith Lords of that time. Freedon Nadd was responsible for turning Exar Kun fully to the Dark Side. Kun feared death and turned over to the Dark Side to survive so Nadd's work was complete by then. Also if the Jedi enslaved Kun's spirit in the temple then wouldn't Ulic know about it being there? I think so. At the end of the comic you see Kun calling out to Ulic from the darkness but Ulic can't hear him due to being severed from the Force. So if he knew the Jedi enslaved his spirit there why go to the temple? To pay his.....respects to a fallen Sith Lord? I hardly beleive that was the case. I think that the creators of The Old Republic Timeline wanted a more "Glorious" ending if you will. "Awesome the Jedi save the day......again". Its stupid that someone changes the story to make it sound better for them when its already been written, but we won't go there or I'll start on The Clone Wars again..................
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Oct 19, 2010 10:52 PM   in response to: EMPIRE622 in response to: EMPIRE622
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You are right about the Databank entry, which I find curious, because clearly Gnost-Dural is more in line with the actual comic. It says Kun wanted to run rampant across the cosmos in his ghost state, only the Jedi wall of light extinguished the Sith power he unleashed. Saying they directly or indirectly trapped him there seems like an obvious extension, not a contradiction.


I'm more annoyed at how every recap of that story fails to mention the Sith mojo Ragnos applied to Kun and Qel-Droma to enslave them, in stead portraying their fall as that of the stereotypical evil darksider with delusions of grandeur. Darksider or no, Kun always tried to improve the Jedi, and he consistently refused to play along with Nadd's schemes. Misguided Force-wise, perhaps, but he was not this evil tyrant until Ragnos came along and enslaved him. But one pretty much needs the comic to even suspect that.

And if Gnost and everyone else simply didn't know that, they shouldn't have known about the the Sith spirit host supporting Kun, either.

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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Oct 19, 2010 9:24 PM   in response to: Leland Y Chee in response to: Leland Y Chee
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Mr. Chee I have a question about the new timeline entry on The Old Republic game web site. It's about Exar Kun's first defeat on Yavin 4. The timeline entry states that the Jedi trap his spirit in the Sith temple, but in the comic story and on the databank here on starwars.com it still states that he traps himself which is what i have always beleived. Can you tell me if this is going to be just another retcon or is it the lack of knowledge that Master Gnost Dural has about Kun's defeat at Yavin 4?
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Oct 18, 2010 2:52 PM   in response to: KiMiTe in response to: KiMiTe
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First he was named Tukker Val Loo, then Lev'loa and now the name has been changed to Halsey.
< Thanks for the update ! :)
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Oct 17, 2010 12:22 PM   in response to: KiMiTe in response to: KiMiTe
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We do know that he will appear in some episode during Season 3, so that's probably the reason.
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Oct 17, 2010 8:52 AM   in response to: Sompeetalay in response to: Sompeetalay
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What's the deal with the background Roonan jedi from +Grievous Intrigue+?
First he was named Tukker Val Loo, then Lev'loa and now the name has been changed to Halsey.
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Oct 14, 2010 4:57 AM   in response to: ulic_g99 in response to: ulic_g99
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Dear Leland

  • I was wondering what happened to the bartender in 'Lethal Trackdown'. He was first known as Volpai, but then his name was changed into Tiggs Leo. What does that mean for the name Volpai? Is that Leo's species now of is Volpai a name that doesn't appear anymore in the Holocron?

  • What does the Holocron mention about Onaconda Farr's actions that were published in HoloNet News? Are they still part of his biography?

Thank you :)
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Oct 13, 2010 7:30 AM   in response to: Leland Y Chee in response to: Leland Y Chee
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If I would be able to ask a follow up question - should we think of the Films Only and Films/TCW + EU continuities as the core background information that needs to be adherred to by different media (e.g. a TCW episode only needs to consider the contents of the Films Only continuity as canon that must be adherred to, while an EU novel must consider the contents of the Films/TCW + EU continuity as canon to be adherred to), or should we think of the Films Only and Films/TCW + EU continuities as two separate, alternate storylines of Star Wars (in a similar, for example, that the Ultimate Spiderman and the Amazing Spiderman comic series are alternate versions of a similar storyline)?
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Oct 12, 2010 6:41 PM   in response to: Leland Y Chee in response to: Leland Y Chee
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That's great, many thanks for answering my question Mr Chee!
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Oct 11, 2010 10:07 PM   in response to: Leland Y Chee in response to: Leland Y Chee
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Hey Mr. Chee, who says the line "Imperial troops have entered the base!" in ESB? Is it Mon Mothma's son, Jobin, or someone else? The Entrenched comic shows it to be some other trooper, but the CSWE says it's Jobin. Can you clarify? Thanks.
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Oct 11, 2010 9:46 PM   in response to: Leland Y Chee in response to: Leland Y Chee
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Got a quick question regarding Gand height discrepancy between sources, notably EU graphical depictions and KotOR 2. In most EU graphic depictions, Gands are usually shown as standing at least as tall as or just slightly shorter than most average-height humanoids. However, in KotOR 2, the Gand enemy bipeds are much shorter, standing only slightly taller than a Jawa.

Why is that?
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Oct 11, 2010 11:20 AM   in response to: Leland Y Chee in response to: Leland Y Chee
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Oct 11, 2010 8:41 AM   in response to: Leland Y Chee in response to: Leland Y Chee
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Thx ! Much appreciated :-)

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