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jSarek


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Re: Galaxy Map Discussion
Posted: Sep 22, 2006 11:05 PM   in response to: Leland Y Chee in response to: Leland Y Chee
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Well, even the Dark Horse and New Essential Chronology maps take the Run past Corellia, even though it doesn't make it to Coruscant.

However, text evidence does have it going all the way there, e.g. on page 8 of Coruscant and the Core Worlds: "The planet found itself at the confluence of a number of lengthy hyperroutes - including those later named . . . the Perlemian Trade Route, and the Corellian Run." Also, The Slice (and the Arrowhead, as defined on p. 5 of the New Essential Chronology) is defined by where the Corellian Run and the Perlemian Trade Route come together, which doesn't occur with the former melding into the Hydian Way.
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Re: Galaxy Map Discussion
Posted: Sep 22, 2006 3:22 PM   in response to: Leland Y Chee in response to: Leland Y Chee
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I didn't mean to disparage what you've done so far in any way.
No offense taken. You know I appreciate everyone's diligence.

What I meant to indicate was that all of these maps are equally canonical, and any hypothetical Star Wars Atlas would be no more so, and would in all likelihood contain small errors or decisions that would later need to be revisited, like these maps have had.
Actually, in theory, the more recent the map, the more accurate it should be, barring real errors.
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Re: Galaxy Map Discussion
Posted: Sep 22, 2006 3:16 PM   in response to: Leland Y Chee in response to: Leland Y Chee
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Currently, my main complaint about the most recent maps is that the Corellian Run connects with the Hydian Way instead of with Coruscant, which you've mentioned earlier as unintentional.
Hmmm, maybe I was corrected at some point. All my sources indicate that the Corellia Run starts at Corellia. I'm not even sure if the Corellian Trade Spine goes to Coruscant. This may have been a revision form earlier maps. Going strictly by text descriptions, the routes on the Dark Horse map (based on the routes as shown in the New Essential Chronology map) look accurate to me.
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Re: Galaxy Map Discussion
Posted: Sep 22, 2006 2:27 PM   in response to: Leland Y Chee in response to: Leland Y Chee
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Tasty:

We are always striving to improve which I created this thread.

I know you're always trying to improve, and you've done a bang-up job of keeping things straight through the years. I didn't mean to disparage what you've done so far in any way. What I meant to indicate was that all of these maps are equally canonical, and any hypothetical Star Wars Atlas would be no more so, and would in all likelihood contain small errors or decisions that would later need to be revisited, like these maps have had.

Currently, my main complaint about the most recent maps is that the Corellian Run connects with the Hydian Way instead of with Coruscant, which you've mentioned earlier as unintentional. But really, half an inch of misplaced hyperroute is my biggest complaint? Meh.
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Re: Galaxy Map Discussion
Posted: Sep 22, 2006 10:40 AM   in response to: Violetlight in response to: Violetlight
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When is the SW Atlas going to appear so we could finally have definitive locations?
Nothing in the works.

*Also, the map is wrong in assuming that Bespin and Hoth are in different solar systems.
There are two answers to this...*
ESB tells us that they aren't in the same system. Hoth is in the Hoth system. The Falcon is later in the Anoat system. By Leia's response, we can assume that Bespin is in yet another system.
The backup hyperdrive from the Essential Chronology is the in-continuity explanation.

Tasty is Concord Dawns location correct on the Dark Horse map?
I don't have any sources detailing the borders of the Mandalore sector, so the placement doesn't conflict with anything previous. Could just be the Mandalore sector follows a lesser known hyperspace lane.

If might be good for the next map to show sectors in full
This is a bit tricky, because there are multiple definitions of sector.
Essential Guide to Planets and Moons: The original definition of a sector was any area of space with fifty inhabited planets, but increased exploration has caused many sectors to grow far beyond their original boundaries.
Imperial Sourcebook: A group or cluster of star systems united for economic and political reasons. Doesn't say that the sector has to be contiguous.
Also, because the galaxy has been so unstable for so many years, the sector borders are very elastic.

*EACH of these maps is supposed to be "definitive," yet each, to my knowledge, has erred in some way.
I just wish all the SW sources would agree with eachother.*
We are always striving to improve which I created this thread. Keep in mind the context of each map is usually different, so sector and region borders might change. Seems strange to me to consider portions of the Unknown Regions as still unknown 100 years after they became known.
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Re: Galaxy Map Discussion
Posted: Sep 21, 2006 10:06 PM   in response to: Violetlight in response to: Violetlight
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Somp:

When is the SW Atlas going to appear so we could finally have definitive locations?

What makes you think such an atlas would be any more definitive? EACH of these maps is supposed to be "definitive," yet each, to my knowledge, has erred in some way.

I just wish all the SW sources would agree with eachother.

Me, too. But, they don't. Human error is unavoidable, especially with something as complex and as detailed as the galaxy map.

Violetlight:

Therefore, unless the Falcon slipped through a wormhole in the Hoth Asteroid belt that no one noticed (and I don't mean the hole in the rock caused by the Space Slug) Bespin must be in the same solar system as Hoth.

There are two answers to this. The short answer is, the Falcon had a poorly maintained back-up hyperdrive they were able to patch together. The long answer, which is unofficial but more detailed, was presented by Pablo Hidalgo here.
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Re: Galaxy Map Discussion
Posted: Sep 21, 2006 1:46 PM   in response to: Sompeetalay in response to: Sompeetalay
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Tasty is Concord Dawns location correct on the Dark Horse map? From what I remember it was apart of the Mandalore Sector in A Practical Man, at least that's what the E-novella said. However the space between the two planets does make the Sector quite a bit bigger now.

If might be good for the next map to show sectors in full, so that we can get a better picture of how big sectors like the Mandalore Sector really are.
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Re: Galaxy Map Discussion
Posted: Sep 21, 2006 1:27 PM   in response to: Violetlight in response to: Violetlight
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I just wish they'd make a map that stipulates a definitive location for some planets. You can't account for every astrological problem, because SW isn't supposed to be scientifically correct. I just wish all the SW sources would agree with eachother.
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Re: Galaxy Map Discussion
Posted: Sep 21, 2006 11:14 AM   in response to: Violetlight in response to: Violetlight
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Also, the map is wrong in assuming that Bespin and Hoth are in different solar systems. In many Star Wars books, they empathize how long it takes just to travel within a solar system without using the hyperdrive. Even if the Falcon was capable of sub-light speeds of up to 1/2 the speed of light (any faster, and Relativity and all its weird effects start to kick in), it would take it years to get to another solar system.

Therefore, unless the Falcon slipped through a wormhole in the Hoth Asteroid belt that no one noticed (and I don't mean the hole in the rock caused by the Space Slug) Bespin must be in the same solar system as Hoth.
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Re: Galaxy Map Discussion
Posted: Sep 21, 2006 11:10 AM   in response to: Sompeetalay in response to: Sompeetalay
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To be honest, I don't think they could ever come up with a definate Star Wars galactic map, due to astromony.

Just like how planets orbit their star, each star in the GFFA orbits the centre of the galaxy, with those closer to the core orbiting faster than those fartther away. Therefore, as time goes by, different solar systems would become closer together, and farther away from each other.

For example, in ep. 2, Geonisis is less than a parcec (whatever that is) away from Tatooine. By the Legacy of the Force books, they could be much further away from each other.
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Re: Galaxy Map Discussion
Posted: Sep 20, 2006 8:10 AM   in response to: jSarek in response to: jSarek
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To be honest, I'm getting a bit tired of all these maps. Every map contains differences compared to the other maps! This just look like maps from the Middle Ages with Dragons and other fantastic creatures that were supposed to live in the seas and uncharted lands. When is the SW Atlas going to appear so we could finally have definitive locations?
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Re: Galaxy Map Discussion
Posted: Sep 20, 2006 1:35 AM   in response to: jSarek in response to: jSarek
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For those who are interested, you can now see the Dark Horse map online.
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Re: Galaxy Map Discussion
Posted: Aug 17, 2006 6:31 PM   in response to: Darthfunkymonkey in response to: Darthfunkymonkey
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Sure. If you look to the right of Hutt Space, you'll see a region of space labeled the "Tion Cluster." The Tion Cluster contains three different sectors - the Cronese Mandate, the Allied Tion, and the Tion Hegemony. The Tion Hegemony is roughly the rightmost third of the Cluster.
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Re: Galaxy Map Discussion
Posted: Aug 17, 2006 5:48 PM   in response to: Leland Y Chee in response to: Leland Y Chee
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hey does anyone know where the Tion Hegemony is???????
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Re: Galaxy Map Discussion
Posted: Aug 7, 2006 5:47 AM   in response to: Wampa_Jedi in response to: Wampa_Jedi
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Any hints on where us fiscally challenged folks who
couldn't make it to San Diego can get a copy of this
new map?

Basically, are there any plans for it to be released
to through comics, Insider, etc?


Dark horse plans to put it online and make it interactive.
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Re: Galaxy Map Discussion
Posted: Aug 7, 2006 5:23 AM   in response to: jSarek in response to: jSarek
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Any hints on where us fiscally challenged folks who couldn't make it to San Diego can get a copy of this new map?

Basically, are there any plans for it to be released to through comics, Insider, etc?
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Re: Galaxy Map Discussion
Posted: Aug 7, 2006 2:40 AM   in response to: The Broox in response to: The Broox
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O.J.:

*I got a copy without having to go to Comic-Con to get one.

:D*

Yeah, well, I also got to meet Abel Pena, Dan Wallace, and Joe Corroney, and get autographs on Insider 66 and the New Essential Guide to Droids; listen to the Legacy of the Force panel; see Ray Bradbury and Ray Harryhausen talk; buy old gaming books; and spend quality time with a girl I'm very much enjoying getting to know better. So now who's got the big Yoda smile, hmm?

:D
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Re: Galaxy Map Discussion
Posted: Aug 7, 2006 2:35 AM   in response to: The Broox in response to: The Broox
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YodaWarrior900:

There are around 8,000 known planets in the Star Wars Galaxy. Who comes up with all these?:O

They come from lots of of seperate sources. There are hundreds of Star Wars sources, when you take into account novels, comics, young reader books, "nonfiction" books like the Essential Guides, roleplaying game books, video games, and more.

If I had to guess who was the source of the plurality, it would be the roleplaying books created by West End Games. There were dozens of titles, and they often came up with new planets quite liberally.
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Re: Galaxy Map Discussion
Posted: Aug 6, 2006 8:29 AM   in response to: O.J. in response to: O.J.
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Well, I did re-evaluate my decision not to go to
Comic-Con, and the presence of the Dark Horse map
was
a real factor in that evaluation. Needless to say,
I
now have a copy. :-)

I got a copy without having to go to Comic-Con to get
one.

:D


As did I, and Modi your maps blow me away every time I see them.
O.J.


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Re: Galaxy Map Discussion
Posted: Aug 6, 2006 1:40 AM   in response to: jSarek in response to: jSarek
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Well, I did re-evaluate my decision not to go to
Comic-Con, and the presence of the Dark Horse map was
a real factor in that evaluation. Needless to say, I
now have a copy. :-)

I got a copy without having to go to Comic-Con to get one.

:D

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