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Re: Event Timeline and Character Age Discussion
Posted: Dec 19, 2006 7:23 AM   in response to: Leland Y Chee in response to: Leland Y Chee
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I had a few questions concerning PoD.
1. How much time passes from the start of the book (on Apatros, not the prologue) until the point where Bane joins the academy?
2. How much time passes from when Bane first joins the academy to when the masters and students of the academy set off for Ruusan.
3. How much time passes from when Bane first sets off for Lehon until the end of the book?
4. How old are Bane and Zannah by the end of PoD? Zannah's about 8, right? And I did some calculations, and Bane is definitely no older than 27. I'm guessing he's 26.
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Re: Event Timeline and Character Age Discussion
Posted: Dec 18, 2006 9:32 PM   in response to: ChrisLyne in response to: ChrisLyne
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No Chris, we don't have to live with it. We can fight to get the errors in the time line fixed like they should have been in the first place. There is no excuse for such blatant errors.

As for Ben turning 14 goes, the LotF series spans a number of years, so, yes, he will go up in age. However, given that the ages of the characters are the only internal factor governing the passage of dating, all that does is place that story at the proper point in the year where he would have gone up in age. Thus, if he just turned 13 at the beginning of the series, and by the next hard-cover he's 14, that places that next book about a year after the first. Unless the books themselves give an actual date, the ages of the cahracters, and when they go up in age, is the only measurement we have to gauge the dating of events..
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Re: Event Timeline and Character Age Discussion
Posted: Dec 15, 2006 5:43 PM   in response to: Tramp the wande... in response to: Tramp the wande...
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For now, but as soon as Ben turns 14 (and I think that's a given based on how long the series will span) then it will no longer support that view.

I still think it's stupid that a retcon timeline takes priority over a 19 book arc, but it seems we'll have to live with it.

Or you can just say (as I do) that Dark Nest and LOTF have butchered the characters that much (Jaina a bug, Jacen a Sith Lord and Luke as dictator of the Jedi Order) that your personal timeline ends with NJO which runs 25.9 (or 26) - 30 ABY. Everything after that is just a good read.

I'm not sure if my personal timeline will end with NJO or jump from NJO to Legacy comic. I love Legacy comic, but I want to see how much it relates to DN/LOTF (right now I think it links much more to NJO). To me NJO was the perfect wrap up to Star Wars (the ending seemed like it was written as the end of the saga) and I'm happy for my timeline to end there and just read the later books as a possible future.
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Re: Event Timeline and Character Age Discussion
Posted: Dec 15, 2006 12:04 AM   in response to: ChrisLyne in response to: ChrisLyne
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The books themselves do not state exactly when in the year they take place. All we have to go by is the characters' ages. Strictly based upon those, the LotF still supports a 26-30 ABY NJO.
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Re: Event Timeline and Character Age Discussion
Posted: Dec 9, 2006 4:14 AM   in response to: ChrisLyne in response to: ChrisLyne
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So whilst DN may have supported the correct 25.9-30 ABY timeline for NJO (though that was a happy accident as Troy Denning has admitted he used the "official" timeline and thought the book was in 34 ABY), LOTF sadly does NOT support the correct NJO timeline. It does make me sad that rather than admit the timeline is in error they have retconed the setting and character ages of the entire NJO by following the incorrect "official" timeline in LOTF.
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Re: Event Timeline and Character Age Discussion
Posted: Dec 9, 2006 4:13 AM   in response to: ChrisLyne in response to: ChrisLyne
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Now first let me say I agree with you; all the NJO books clearly set the timeline at 25.9-30 ABY. I use this (and the 10 month calendar) for my own NJO timeline and it all works out just fine.

But LOTF is being written using the "official" 25-29 ABY timeline for NJO. In her blog Sue has stated that LOTF starts 122 days/4 months (12 month calendar) into 40 ABY. That is the official timeline for this series. Which means that Ben has not yet had his birthday. He will have it later in the series and he will turn 14 in 40 ABY placing his birth in the year 26 ABY. Here's her blog about the LOTF timeline; http://blogs.starwars.com/eeus uestornii/7
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Re: Event Timeline and Character Age Discussion
Posted: Dec 9, 2006 4:12 AM   in response to: Tramp the wande... in response to: Tramp the wande...
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Actually, Ben was born four months before the
beginning of the year, not at the mid point. Ben was
four months old in Star by Star.

Fair enough. I was being approximate, you're right it would have been more accurate to say 27.6 ABY

given that the twins were already 31 before the series
started, and that Ben was already 13 before the
series started, this places the series later than the
first 150 days of the year. It actually places the
start of the series during the last 150. Thus, the
time line is still wrong, since LotF still places
Ben's birth at 27.6 (or 27.75 if you use a 12 month
system) ABY.

This (I'm sorry to say) is where you're wrong. LOTF does NOT place Ben's birth at 27.6 ABY, it places it at 26.6 ABY (or since they're using the 12 month/368 day calendar for LOTF it places it in Month 9 of 26 ABY).

cont.
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Re: Event Timeline and Character Age Discussion
Posted: Dec 5, 2006 4:44 PM   in response to: ChrisLyne in response to: ChrisLyne
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Actually, Ben was born four months before the beginning of the year, not at the mid point. Ben was four months old in Star by Star. and given that the twins were already 31 before the series started, and that Ben was already 13 before the series started, this places the series later than the first 150 days of the year. It actually places the start of the series during the last 150. Thus, the time line is still wrong, since LotF still places Ben's birth at 27.6 (or 27.75 if you use a 12 month system) ABY. Also, placing the start of the NJO hardcovers at the beginning of each year isn't the problem, since the evidence in to books does support this. It is the years themselves which are in error. VP should be starting in the beginning of year 26 ABY, not year 25 ABY. Balance Point should be startin gat 27 ABY, Star By Star at 28 ABY, Destiney's Way at 29 ABY, and The Unifying Force at 30 ABY. All of this is still supported by the LotF and DN books.
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Re: Event Timeline and Character Age Discussion
Posted: Dec 5, 2006 8:48 AM   in response to: EvolzQuiWon in response to: EvolzQuiWon
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As of day 29 of the LOFT series (day 150 of the year without starting a 10 month/12 month debate) they are 31. That places the twins birthday at some point in the first 150 days of the year.

And also as of LOTF there is a contradiction as Ben Skywalker's age has been written according to the timeline which has him born 26.5 ABY making him 13 going on 14. If you go off the timing in the books (with each NJO hardback at the end of the year) then he was born 27.5 ABY and should be 12 going on 13.

So the retcon established by the timeline is now continuity because of Ben's age in LOTF. I don't like it, but in all honesty it's a pretty minor retcon compared with the Vergere was Sith retcon they pulled (or at least seemed to pull) in Betrayal. Doesn't make the choice to go with an approximate timeline over the books seem any less ridiculous, but it is minor compared to other things they've done in LOTF.
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Re: Event Timeline and Character Age Discussion
Posted: Dec 4, 2006 2:05 PM   in response to: Tramp the wande... in response to: Tramp the wande...
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they only reason I ask is because in LotF story arc, they seem to be around 30-40 ish. I'll have to double check that but I really think there might be an error either on my part or on the authors
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Re: Event Timeline and Character Age Discussion
Posted: Nov 29, 2006 11:41 PM   in response to: Darth NTM in response to: Darth NTM
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+Also, post like that could be construed as
trolling. +

Nope. But post after post on this alleged "error" of yours is certainly trolling.


It isn't an "alleged" error. It is an error, and a grievuos one at that which needs to be corrected. Check your books, and it is clear where the error lies.
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Re: Event Timeline and Character Age Discussion
Posted: Nov 29, 2006 11:39 PM   in response to: Tramp the wande... in response to: Tramp the wande...
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So, they didn't age fast. their chronological ages matches their physical ages and is consistant from book to book. what is inconsistant is the time line. It's like asking how Luke and Mara could be married seven years between 19 ABY and 25 ABY. They couldn't. They were married seven years from SW Union in 19 ABY-+Vector Prime+ in 26 ABY. That is a seven year time span. How could jacen be on a five year sojourn from 29-35 ABY? he can't, that would be six years. He could have a five year sojourn between 30 ABY and 35 ABY. From YJK Heirs to the Force through Return to Ord Mantell, the time line goes from a half-year off to a full year off because they try to cram three years of story acs into a two year time span on the time line. By the beginning of Return to Ord Mantell on through the NJO, the time line remains a full year off.
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Re: Event Timeline and Character Age Discussion
Posted: Nov 29, 2006 11:34 PM   in response to: EvolzQuiWon in response to: EvolzQuiWon
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What do you mean by that? the SW year is 368 days long, and the Solo twins didn't age fast. They were born in The Last Command circa 9.5 ABY. They turned 14 just before YJK: Heirs to the Force, placing that book at 23.5 ABY, and turned 16 just before YJK: Return to Ord Mantell, placing that book at 25.5 ABY. They turned 17 just before Hero's Trial, placing that book at 26.5 ABY, and turned 18 between Conquest, and Rebirth, the second book is when Ben was born which sets that book after 27.5 ABY. Ben was four months old in SBS. Jacen and Jaina were 20 by TUF, and in fact had turned 20 during the Force Heretic Trilogy, They wouldn't turn 20 until 29.5 ABY. Yet, the time line places those books between 28.2 and 28.7 ABY, only 19 years after they were born. If you continue to look at their ages in the books, it consistantly, points to the books taking place a full year later than their placement on the NEC time line. (cont.)
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Re: Event Timeline and Character Age Discussion
Posted: Nov 29, 2006 11:30 PM   in response to: EvolzQuiWon in response to: EvolzQuiWon
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+Also, post like that could be construed as trolling. +

Nope. But post after post on this alleged "error" of yours is certainly trolling.
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Re: Event Timeline and Character Age Discussion
Posted: Nov 29, 2006 11:05 PM   in response to: Jeff Ferguson in response to: Jeff Ferguson
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how long is the SW year? and how did Jacen and Jania age so fast?
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Re: Event Timeline and Character Age Discussion
Posted: Nov 29, 2006 9:32 PM   in response to: Jeff Ferguson in response to: Jeff Ferguson
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Ferguson, you don't lose until you give up, and that isn't going to happen. I am going to keep fighting until this error is fixed.

Also, post like that could be construed as trolling.
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Re: Event Timeline and Character Age Discussion
Posted: Nov 29, 2006 9:12 PM   in response to: Tramp the wande... in response to: Tramp the wande...
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Tramp, you should take a look at (turn volume on).
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Re: Event Timeline and Character Age Discussion
Posted: Nov 29, 2006 8:27 PM   in response to: Tramp the wande... in response to: Tramp the wande...
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When you see that much of an inconsistancy between the time line and that many books, then the problem isn't with the books, it is with the time line, and the time line needs to be adjusted accordingly, which is also much easier to do that rewrite a whole bunch of books. None of the novels currently being released contradict a 26-30 ABY dating for the NJO, nor a 23.5-25.5 dating for the YJK. In fact, they all support it. Only this time line contradicts it, and it is not supported by any other source. All of the books, before, during, and after the NJO support a 23.5-25.6 ABY YJK dating, and a 26-30 ABY NJO dating. They can't all be wrong. Fix the time line and everything matches up perfectly.
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Re: Event Timeline and Character Age Discussion
Posted: Nov 29, 2006 8:23 PM   in response to: Tramp the wande... in response to: Tramp the wande...
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Yet, Heirs to the Force states specifically that they were 14 years old. Return to Ord Mantell specifically says that they are 16 years old, and Hero's Trial specifically states that they are 17 years old in that book. Luke and Mara weren't only married 6 years by Vector Prime, they were married seven years. Having been married in 19 ABY, they couldn't have been married for seven years if VP took place in 25 ABY.

(cont.)
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Re: Event Timeline and Character Age Discussion
Posted: Nov 29, 2006 8:22 PM   in response to: Tramp the wande... in response to: Tramp the wande...
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And, Nathan, just because Tasty or anyone else makes an assumption about the dating and that assumption is put into a reference book, but doesn't match any of the other books doesn't mean that all of the other books suddenly become wrong and overwritten. In fact, that is all Tasty said it was-his understanding. He has always been willing to accept when his information is wrong and fix it. If there is an error, that error needs to be corrected. There is no way for the YJK to take place between 23.0 and 24.0, and there is no way for the NJO to take place between 25.0 and 29.0 ABY. It doesn't match up with any of the information in any of the books. Jacen and Jaina aren't 14 in the beginning of 23 ABY. They aren't 16 at the beginning of 24 ABY, nor are they 17 halfway through 15 ABY since they weren't born until halfway through 9 ABY. (cont.)

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