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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
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Jul 3, 2008 3:52 PM
in response to: PiccoloKenobi
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Another source: According to Star Wars Galaxies: An Empire Divided: Prima's Official Strategy Guide, humans arrived on Naboo around 4000 BBY.
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
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Jul 3, 2008 11:36 AM
in response to: Leland Y Chee
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Hello Tasty!
While checking "Secrets of Naboo" and "Star Wars: Complete Locations" about the age of the local culture, we came across some discrepancies: While "Secrets" (set at 32 BBY) claims that the first settlement occured around 4000 years BBY, "Complete Locations" instead says the settlement started in the 9th century BBY.
So can you state a definite date for the first human settlement on Naboo?
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
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Jun 25, 2008 5:23 PM
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Can we have a confirmation on the timing of Jedi Twilight, please? Pretty please? 
Chapters 1 - 2 suggest that it is two months after ROTS.
Chapter 3 gives no specific timing info, but it takes place immediately after Chapters 1 and 2.
Chapter 4 suggests that it is now three months ("a little over three standard months"), yet then strongly suggests at the very end that the events of Chapter 3 were the night immediately prior to Chapter 4.
Both dates (2 months after ROTS and 3 months after ROTS) can't be correct.
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
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Jun 24, 2008 1:05 PM
in response to: Hedec Ga
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there's the fans, who make up their own stories and have/create their own Star Wars world.
i(like any other fan) just want to be able to have my own star wars world. so tasty taste, i hope ur not gonna try to take that away from us.
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
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Jun 24, 2008 12:53 PM
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Now, of course there are times when a fan creates something and it is "adopted" into the official Star Wars canon such as the inclusion of the 501st and the fan-written entries in the "What's the Story" contests. But these are unique opportunities, not the norm.
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
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Jun 24, 2008 12:46 PM
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You said it right there "They don't always mesh". The holocron is in no way obligated to respect anything that a fan ever does/creates/thinks on their own. Nor should they because it would be absolute pandemonium.
Star Wars' longevity and success is thanks in no small part to the fans and their dedication, to be sure. So, in that respect, yes what the fans come up with is important. Creating fan films generates excitement and keeps people talking about Star Wars. But fan films are just that--FAN films. Something done in tribute or in homage--not something that should be taken as literal Star Wars canon.
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
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Jun 24, 2008 12:15 PM
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From Total Film magazine:
lucas: ...There's three pillars of Star Wars. I'll probably get in trouble for this but it's OK! There's three pillars: the father, the son and the holy ghost. I'm the father, Howard Roffman president of Lucas Licensing is the son and the holy ghost is the fans, this kind of ethereal world of people coming up with all kinds of different ideas and histories...
From Collider.com video interview:
lucas: Well, there's, the-, we say, we say that there's, there's three pillars of Star Wars. One is, uh, the features and the, and the films, and what I do, that comes from me. And then there's the, the licensing which are the books and the comics and the things which come from a bunch of other people, and then there's the fans, who make up their own stories and have/create their own Star Wars world. So those three versions of Star Wars are all out there and they don't always mesh but they always feed on each other." |
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
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Jun 24, 2008 12:09 PM
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Well, if this is a Wookieepedia matter, they have a
clear policy of adhering to Holocron continuity,
rather than Georgie's pillars, so that quote is
unlikely to help you.
well, it's not a wookieepedia matter, but star wars is george's personal property, not tasty's. and also, tasty said the clone wars will be ranked up there with the movies and not be considered expanded universe, yet the official site implies the exact opposite. george doesn't care about what the holocron says. after all, he created star wars. he's acknowledging us, the fans, in his quote. in my opinion, it's a good thing for the fanbase to be at least recognized. i just hope some other fans know where i'm coming from and feel the same way. found some more pillar quotes on that canonwars.com guy's blog:
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
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Jun 23, 2008 7:21 AM
in response to: Leland Y Chee
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One question Leland; with respect to Palpatine's RotS incarnation, Nick Gillard stated that Palpatine was "a master of every weapon and every style." Should this be treated as canon fact, because as I see it, Nick Gillard, being the stunt co-ordinator for the movies, isn't an authority on continuity itself, and his statement appears to contradict previously established canon (where it was stated that Palpatine hadn't trained with a weapon for over ten years). With a lack of recent training as big as that, it seems extremely unlikely that Palpatine could have been as technically skilled as the statement would have him be, so your feedback on this would be greatly appreciated.
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
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Jun 22, 2008 3:24 PM
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Tasty, in the Dark Forces Saga, Part 2, there is an adventure hook involving the Jedi Knight-***-Dark Jedi Daye Azur-Jamin. The players must either interrogate and kill Daye or redeem him in order to complete the quest; I'm wondering if you have a canon resolution for this in the Holocron.
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
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Jun 22, 2008 10:15 AM
in response to: Leland Y Chee
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Hi Tasty, another couple of questions:
1) Star Wars has a history of characters returning from the dead in some shape or form; however, are there any characters which have been irrevocably pronounced dead and cannot return in future fiction, and if so does the Holocron make a note of this? For example, it is implied that death cheaters Exar Kun and Emperor Palpatine are now `permanently' dead; does that mean that they are officially off limits for authors to bring back and use again?
*2) *On a similar theme, in the comic Legacy issue 5, Darth Krayt consults the holocrons of Darths Bane, Andeddu and Nihilus; during the scene he asks Nihilus how he escaped death by containing his consciousness in his armour. Does the Holocron contain the information of when Nihilus uses this death cheat - was it used to survive his final battle with the Exile or did he use it to cheat death at some earlier point in his career?
Many thanks!
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
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Jun 21, 2008 3:23 PM
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Mr. Chee, my question for you concerns IG-88, and the nature of his appearances. Specifically, I am interested in the sources that IG-88A appears in. I got these sources for IG-88A off the Wookieepedia page, where I am also a member. Anyway, could you confirm that it is A in all of these sources and tell me if I've missed any? The appearances are listed as follows. Thank you.
Therefore I Am: The Tale of IG-88
LEGO Star Wars II: The Original Trilogy (Non-canonical appearance)
Star Wars: Empire at War: Forces of Corruption
Star Wars Episode VI: Return of the Jedi (As Death Star II) (Retcon)
Star Wars 85: The Hero
A Barve Like That: The Tale of Boba Fett
The Bounty Hunters: Kenix Kil
Young Jedi Knights: Delusions of Grandeur
Young Jedi Knights: Diversity Alliance
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
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Jun 20, 2008 3:25 PM
in response to: Leland Y Chee
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What species is Whorm Loathsom?
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
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Jun 20, 2008 11:09 AM
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*so take that, jsarek! let's see u 'umm, no' lucas' statement, mr sarcastic *
I don't have to, since Lucas hasn't said anything that supports you.
Just because there are three worlds doesn't mean that all of them have even footing, or are kept track of equally by Lucasfilm. Lucas himself is only in charge of the first world; Lucasfilm as a whole is only in charge of the first two worlds. The third world, the world of fans' imaginations, is simply out of the purview of either of them. If they can't keep track of it or exercise some measure of control over it, it can't be a part of continuity; and if there isn't a single authoritative vision of it, then it can't be a canon.
While you're of course welcome to include fan ideas in your own "personal canon" - no one could stop you from doing so even if they wanted to - fan ideas are simply outside of the scope of Lucasfilm's licensing department and its role in keeping Star Wars canon and continuity.
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
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Jun 20, 2008 11:09 AM
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so he's saying there are three star wars worlds: his world, the licensing world, and our(the fans') world. this is very interesting. i prefer this over the film continuity and/or film+eu continuity(which i think ulic_g99 prefers). besides, canon and continuity i'm sure is different to each and every fan. there are changes to it over time, and it's been that way since 1977.
Yes, there are three worlds. Lucasfilm can only (and should only) keep track of the first two.
And no, "canon" by definition isn't different to each and every fan, since canon is defined as the authoritative body of works of a given topic. While we sometimes talk of one's "personal canon" when referring to an individual's own version of the world, strictly speaking, that term is an oxymoron.
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
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Jun 19, 2008 1:07 AM
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Well, if this is a Wookieepedia matter, they have a clear policy of adhering to Holocron continuity, rather than Georgie's pillars, so that quote is unlikely to help you.
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
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Jun 18, 2008 10:07 PM
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here's lucas' statement on fan material in an interview:
"...there's three worlds: There's my world that I made up, there's the licensing world that's the books, the comics, all that kind of stuff, the games, which is their world, and then there's the fans' world, which is also very rich in imagination, but they don't always mesh. All I'm in charge of is my world. I can't be in charge of those other people's world, because I can't keep up with it."
so he's saying there are three star wars worlds: his world, the licensing world, and our(the fans') world. this is very interesting. i prefer this over the film continuity and/or film+eu continuity(which i think ulic_g99 prefers). besides, canon and continuity i'm sure is different to each and every fan. there are changes to it over time, and it's been that way since 1977. do u agree with my opinions, tasty?
so take that, jsarek! let's see u 'umm, no' lucas' statement, mr sarcastic
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
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Jun 17, 2008 1:53 AM
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Mr. Chee,
1st; Now that the name Rehtul Minnau has become canon via "What's The Story?", can you confirm if the cameo-character of Nathan Hamill is canon as well? It was obviously intended as a reference to him.
2nd; Studying the RotS Wookiee Warriors, I came across a mistake in "Dressing a Galaxy".
In the index in the back of the book they've named Salporin as King Grakchawwaa, whilst naming an unknown Wookiee (wearing "tails in his beard" with leather bands around them) as Salporin.
Can we assume they mixed up and that the unknown is in fact King Grakchawwaa?
According to my research the Wookiees in this photo are named;
(top, left to right) "Unknown 1" (King?), Tarfful, Merumeru, Eugroothwa.
(bottom, left to right) "Unknown 2", Lachichuk, Guanta.
Not in this picture are Chewbacca and Salporin.
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
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Jun 16, 2008 11:47 AM
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A question about Warok. Is Warok and the father of Teebo and of Paploo (CCG)? So normally they're halfbrothers ...
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