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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
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Jun 26, 2007 2:10 PM
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I don't know where people get this "two six month year" business froms. (The years would have to be this length because the GrS dates don't allow for two full years there).
Me neither, but apparently there are all sorts of theories going around, so I'd like to have an official answer.
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
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Jun 26, 2007 2:04 PM
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Personally, Charllii, I can't see how there can be two years: 1 BBY means exactly that - 1 year before the battle of yavin. Just like 1 ABY means "1 year after the battle of yavin", therefore, there's only one year between them, the year OF the battle of yavin.
I don't know where people get this "two six month year" business froms. (The years would have to be this length because the GrS dates don't allow for two full years there).
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
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Jun 26, 2007 1:40 PM
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Hey, Tasty, I was wondering, is the Star Wars Tales story "The Apprentice" and the characters within it considered canonical? Are Darth Finn and Marka considered Rule of Two sith? Thanks  |
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
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Jun 26, 2007 10:14 AM
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Tasty, could you (or somebody else who knows) please explain how the ABY/BBY calendar works around the Battle of Yavin. Are there two year zero (0 BBY, 0 ABY) or are these the same year and in that case, what is it called?
And in any case, when does the year(s) start? Does the Battle of Yavin take place on New Years Eve in the BBY/ABY calendar, or is the dates retained from the previous (Great ReSyncronization) calendar?
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
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Jun 16, 2007 5:39 AM
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I'd say a much bigger argument for not canonizing Team Gizka's work is because they work on the basis of an assumption of what the final content was supposed to be, which may lead them to include content that was supposed to be cut, or which will upset the current state of canon. I can only imagine what steps have been taken to rectify the troubles caused by K2 since it was released, steps which would be rendered obsolete, or cause inconsistencies, if the cut content was to be released after all.
But that is assuming Team Gizka have interpreted it wrong, and that steps taken to rectify the K2 troubles in any way collide with the cut content. If neither of those are true, I'd say there is no reason why there shouldn't be a chance, albeit a little one, that it might be canonized.
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
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Jun 16, 2007 5:38 AM
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The difference between those examples and the cut content, is that the examles are of things that were cut because the creator wanted to, while the K2 content got cut because of shortage of time, not some creative desicion.
You can't much compare something the ones with authority wanted to have in the final version, but couldn't due to real-world constraints, with something they cut because they made a creative call to.
Heh. Reminds me of the OT Special and DVD editions. GL puts his real vision on film, after being constrained by real-world limitations for 20 years. IMO that sets a strong precendent.
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
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Jun 15, 2007 4:55 PM
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If its in a licensed source, sure, its canon.
Fan mods aren't licensed.
To put it another way, Team Gizka's product, while very nice and a great effort by fans, doesn't canonise deleted material anymore than say:
A) A Fan made film that recuts Attack of the Clones with all the deleted scenes is canon
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B) If I get all the things Abel Pena cut out of his published Star Wars writing, and reintegrate it and then publish it on my website.
The quickest, easiest way for deleted material to be canonised is for them to be referenced, either on the official site, or in a sourcebook or future novel. |
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
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Jun 15, 2007 1:55 PM
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Considering how something you put out has been canonized, what makes you so sure?
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
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Jun 14, 2007 7:12 PM
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There is 0% chance that anything Team Gizka puts out is canon.
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
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Jun 14, 2007 9:56 AM
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I'd be very surprised if Obsidian or LA had the guts to shut down a group of fans who are cleaning up their mess -without any Xmas cash to show for it.
I think I even remember the official KotOR 2 forum having a message from the devs where they made it clear that the mod wasn't officially sanctioned, but basically encouraged people to go check it out anyway.
Heh. I'm sure the reason why there haven't been any more official patches for the game, is because the devs knows Team Gizka is on the job anyway.
But the canon issue is funny. Since Team Gizka are going to great lengths to restore what would otherwise have been canon, I think we have a strange case here of stuff that should be canon, but most likely will not be, on the sole basis of it being brought to the public by fans.
Tell me, Tasty, if the K2 developers are so impressed with the mod that they ask you to include it in canon, and it otherwise checks out (LFL testing and whatnot), would it be possible?
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
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Jun 14, 2007 2:36 AM
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I know this is not holocron but...
I am a fond fan of Knight of the Old Republic II: The Sith Lords. Currently a mod is being made called the Sith Lords Restoration Project http://www.team-gizka.org/ .This mod is taking cut content from the Xbox version of the game and importing it onto PC, scripting and editing being done to restore the cut content back into the game to be played via patch soon in the future. Before I get my hopes up, I would like to know if this is illegal or not and if Lucas Arts/Obsidian will be shutting down this mod in the near future for possibly breaking the Terms of Service and Copyright Laws.
If it is legal, will the new content be considered Canon with the game's lore, or simply player created lore? |
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
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Jun 12, 2007 1:16 PM
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What rank does the Holocron have for *Shawn Valdez*? In the script he's a Captain but in the 'Who is Who' article he is a Major and then once more a Captain? Was he a Captain and did he get promoted to Major after Hoth?
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
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Jun 11, 2007 11:59 PM
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Will +Jedi vs. Sith: The Essential Guide to the
Force+ finally reveal all the members of Luke
Skywalker's original 12 students at the Jedi Praxeum?
It seems like the ideal opportunity.
~ Kiro
Lol, I was just trawling the old threads, and look what I found:
TastyTaste:
+You won't get an answer from me. The truth of the matter is, authors/editors are often intentionally vague about details like this because they want to leave room for future authors to explore these areas without contradicting established continuity. I'm sure some day an Insider article, an RPG sourcebook, or an Essential Guide will answer the question once and for all but until then, you'll just have to keep guessing. +
The logic probably still stands. Oh, what a cyclic existence Star Wars fandom is! |
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
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Jun 11, 2007 9:02 PM
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Which begs the question: is Princess Lourdes also Sephi?
She's identical in nearly all respects bar skin color, which may be a simple case of artistic license.
At the very least, I consider Lourdes and her species "Near-Sephi", since we see her homeworld and it plainly isn't Thustra. (home of the Sephi)
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
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Jun 11, 2007 8:20 PM
in response to: Darth NTM
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That said, the Jedi Master Fay is very likely a Sephi, since she shares a similar physical appearance, and is also long lived.
Which begs the question: is Princess Lourdes also Sephi? 
It's a bit weird that a species with no horse-features is named that, but, then again, we have a fish species named "Mon Calamari" (which really should be the name for Quarren), do we not?
:^O Yousa point is well spaken. Perhaps Farfalla's legs were intended to appear equine. We can probably chalk the erroneous classification up to an ignorance of biological taxonomy on the part of either Kiel Charney or Darko Macan. But, hey, J.v.S. is still one of the best comics, dubious nomenclature aside. 
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
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Jun 11, 2007 8:08 PM
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That said, the Jedi Master Fay is very likely a Sephi, since she shares a similar physical appearance, and is also long lived.
In my estimation, Valenthyne Farfalla is of a different species, which is just as likely to be named "Equine" as it is anything else. It's a bit weird that a species with no horse-features is named that, but, then again, we have a fish species named "Mon Calamari" (which really should be the name for Quarren). do we not?
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
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Jun 11, 2007 8:07 PM
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On Farfalla's species:
1) You're right, Sean8, it doesn't explicitly establish him as belonging to a species named, Equine, but, the comment can't be talking about the characteristics of the species, since Farfalla has no "equine" characteristics - he has a human head, (possible) horns, pointed ears and goat-legs. He resembles the traditional Greek monster known as the "satyr", and has nothing in common with a horse.
2) He has pointed ears like a Sephi, but has a few other differences, including the aforementioned legs, horns and red eyes. I doubt they are related, since the legs, in my view, represents a physiology too different to be arrived at through natural evolution. If they are related, it is due to something like Sith alchemy, which raises interesting possibilities, but is unproven.
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
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Jun 11, 2007 7:56 PM
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- "...she found herself leaving Coruscant orbit on a bearing for one of the moons, Hesperidium."
So the book does not in fact say that Hesperidium is a moon belonging to Coruscant. I had apparenty misunderstood. Thanks, Tasty!*
Thanks to you, too! You have no idea how much that statement helps me with sourcing (I don't own and have not yet read Sacrifice). |
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