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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Oct 3, 2006 10:27 PM   in response to: Leland Y Chee in response to: Leland Y Chee
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There you go. Thanks Jsarek.
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Oct 3, 2006 6:56 PM   in response to: Leland Y Chee in response to: Leland Y Chee
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Tasty Taste:

By the way, do you have a source for the suspension of the Senate date?

Page 32 of Star Wars Adventure Journal #3.
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Oct 3, 2006 3:41 PM   in response to: Captain Yossarian in response to: Captain Yossarian
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Tasty Taste, given your statements above, can you clarify something? Is the holiday special, or at least most of it, considered C-canon? If so, which specific parts aren't?
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Oct 3, 2006 3:16 PM   in response to: Leland Y Chee in response to: Leland Y Chee
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By the way, I haven't been able to confirm the Bludlow name with an official source.

Ackmena does call the Rodian Bludlow in the HS when speaking to him but of course you probably know that already. She could be saying Ludlow, but it sounds more like there a 'B' on it. I suppose you would need to see an official source like the actual script.
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Oct 3, 2006 12:38 PM   in response to: mavrick889 in response to: mavrick889
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Is there a specific date for any event in Return of the Jedi, or anything regarding how many months it occurs after the Empire Strikes Back?
I don't have anything. By the way, do you have a source for the suspension of the Senate date?
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Oct 3, 2006 11:11 AM   in response to: Leland Y Chee in response to: Leland Y Chee
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Is there an official amount of time between The Empire Strikes Back and +Return of the Jedi+? I mean, we have specific dates for the Invasion of Naboo (3:4:14), the Military Creation Act (13:5:16), the birth of the Empire (16:5:24), the suspension of the Senate (35:3:5), and the Battle of Hoth (38:6:9). Is there a specific date for any event in Return of the Jedi, or anything regarding how many months it occurs after the +Empire Strikes Back+? Thanks!
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Posted: Oct 3, 2006 10:48 AM   in response to: Leland Y Chee in response to: Leland Y Chee
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what standing in canon statements by George Lucas have. I always thought that they constituted G-canon, but I just wanted to make sure.
In the Holocron, the different levels of continuity are only given for an entry in its entirety; not by individual pieces of information. Therefore, an entry would not say that this part of the entry is G-canon and the other is C-canon, though this might be inferred from the source. As always, contradictions are dealt with case-by-case. Obviously, things that come from the films and from George usually take a higher priority than other sources. But when taking George's statements into account for the Holocron's continuity notes, I have to consider a) when the statement was made (something he said from the 70's may no longer pertain to his current vision of +Star Wars+), b) the source of the statement (a non-LFL sources could be a misquote), and c) the context of the statement (was George making a joke or off-the cuff remark? Was it something said to someone behind-the-scenes to elicit a certain performance, not necessarily part of continuity?) There are relatively few notes from George in the Holocron that are derived from public statements; most of the notes from him are from things that George gives to Licensing directly.
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Oct 2, 2006 6:03 PM   in response to: Leland Y Chee in response to: Leland Y Chee
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Hey Tasty.

I was wondering if you would be so kind as to say what standing in canon statements by George Lucas have. I always thought that they constituted G-canon, but I just wanted to make sure. Sorry if this is a bother, and thanks for your time.
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Posted: Oct 2, 2006 11:01 AM   in response to: Leland Y Chee in response to: Leland Y Chee
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Did this winning entry make it into the Holocron in any form?
No.

In Splinter of the Mind's Eye...
Vader using Force lightning is non-continuity. And like the films, certain parts get icky when you know that Luke and Leia are siblings. There are probably a few other bits that also are non-continuity, but as a whole it is, which could be said of most early sources.

Greedo...
On more than one occasion, an image of the Rodian from the Holiday Special has been used for Greedo, which is why I made the comment. By the way, I haven't been able to confirm the Bludlow name with an official source.

In fact, you once commented on this, saying that Bast's death couldn't be certain until another source is written on the subject: http:/ /forums.starwars.com/thread.jspa?threadID=152583&start=0510
That was before someone pointed out to me that Bast is seen standing right next to Tarkin when he gives the order to fire when ready. Per the film, he's dead.

Rebel TIE fighter in Marvel comics.... so how does the Holocron record a discrepancy like this?
If the extra firepower issue was going to be dealt with, it would have been included in this article: Arbra: Sanctuary In the Storm. As a reminder, continuity issues usually only get resolved if an author wants to address them. A final decision is not made until that point.
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Oct 2, 2006 4:47 AM   in response to: Leland Y Chee in response to: Leland Y Chee
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Hi Tasty,

I was wondering what the Holocron does when certain parts of a C-canon source are overridden by other C-canon or G-canon sources? For example, in Marvel Star Wars 61#: Screams in the Void, the Rebels use modified TIE fighters to sneak into an Imperial fleet and attack it; each TIE can fire 6 normal shots, and one `ultra-power' blast which unleashes the rest of the TIE's cannon's power in one shot. The TIE fighters ordinary shots blow massive chunks out of Imperial Star Destroyers, and a single ultra-power blast destroys a quarter of a fully shielded Super Star Destroyer.

Other C and G-canon sources would indicate this level of destruction wouldn't be possible for a humble TIE, yet obviously the rest of the story itself (chronicling Shira Brie's story) is canon - so how does the Holocron record a discrepancy like this? If an author uses the Holocron for reference, are they alerted to a possible continuity error? My apologies if this has been answered already.
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Oct 1, 2006 7:48 PM   in response to: Adam_wan_kenobi in response to: Adam_wan_kenobi
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As far as Greedo and Bast go, who said Greedo was dead? If you are referring to the Rodian in the Cantina in the Holiday Special, that's not Greedo, that's Bludlow. And, as clearly seen in ANH, Rodians apparently wear similar clothing as there were some Rodians in ANH that looked and dressed identical to Greedo, so it's not a stretch to believe this about the Holiday Special. With Bast, I there are two conflicting sources on his death. While Steve Sansweet's Star Wars Encyclopedia says he died in the destruction of the first Death Star, his CCG card hints that he escaped. In fact, you once commented on this, saying that Bast's death couldn't be certain until another source is written on the subject: http:/ /forums.starwars.com/thread.jspa?threadID=152583&start=0510
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Oct 1, 2006 7:47 PM   in response to: Leland Y Chee in response to: Leland Y Chee
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I would explain it as the Holiday Special layout being non-continuity. By the way, Greedo and >Chief Bast are still dead.

But how can the Holiday Special's Cantina layout be non-continuity when the databank entry for the Cantina, as well as the ROTS incredible cross-sections book specifically say that Ackmena and Wuher shared duties at Chalmun's Cantina. Wouldn't this confirm that the Cantina seen in ANH and the one seen in the Holiday Special are the same ones? And as for the difference in layout, one could easily say that the Cantina underwent renovation between ANH and the Holiday Special. (Continued below)
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Oct 1, 2006 11:03 AM   in response to: Leland Y Chee in response to: Leland Y Chee
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In Splinter of the Mind's Eye (comics, IDK about the novel) Vader uses what appears to be Force lightning. Doesn't this contradict the fact that RODV states he will "never be able to summon Force lightning", and the ROTS Visual Dictionary which I believe states that he cannot conjur or repel Force lightning as it requires living hands to do so?

Also, is Splinter of the Mind's Eye even completely canon? Or are some parts considered N-Canon? Sorry if this was asked before, but I can't find it.
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Sep 30, 2006 5:08 PM   in response to: Leland Y Chee in response to: Leland Y Chee
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Hi Leland,

Just a question regarding the recent What's The Story? entry that was never published - the Covert Ops Clone Trooper.

Pablo told us:
A winning entry was selected, but it became apparent that projects in the works tread too closely to the lore being established in the CO troopers, that the call was made to pull it. Better that than introduce an instant-continuity error.

Fair enough. Though I'd really love to know:
  • Did this winning entry make it into the Holocron in any form?
  • Which fan wrote the winning entry?

Thanks. :)
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Sep 29, 2006 3:51 PM   in response to: Leland Y Chee in response to: Leland Y Chee
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Does that mean that Lak and Dice were not at Endor as force ghosts?

Also, is Triclops REALLY Palpatine's son?

Many Thanks Tasty!
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Sep 29, 2006 12:30 PM   in response to: Leland Y Chee in response to: Leland Y Chee
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The Union comics depict a female Twilek Jedi with "white" colouration attending the Jedi wedding. Who is this?
The Union comics started coming out before we started the Holocron, so unfortunately, I don't have early outlines/scripts that describe that scene that may have noted who this was supposed to be. Certainly, it could be Swilja Fenn from Edge of Victory I: Conquest, though I doubt this was either author's intent. No word on who the Quarren Jedi is or what a Empatojayos Brand look-alike would be doing there.

did Lak Sivrak and Dice Ibegon really have a time-shifting attunement to the Force?
Unlikely, not even as an Aing-Tii flow-walking thing. More likely this is some sort of dream.

but how do we explain the different lay-out of the Cantina?
I would explain it as the Holiday Special layout being non-continuity. By the way, Greedo and Chief Bast are still dead.
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Sep 29, 2006 11:18 AM   in response to: Rancor_Orga in response to: Rancor_Orga
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I have a question regarding the ME Cantina. With the new WTS entries it seems that the Cantina from ANH and the HS are one and the same. We knew that Ackmena used to work for Chalmun (Inside the Worlds), but how do we explain the different lay-out of the Cantina? Did Chalmun redecorate the Cantina after ANH?
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Sep 28, 2006 5:35 PM   in response to: Leland Y Chee in response to: Leland Y Chee
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*Tasty Taste*-- In the story "One Last Night in the Mos Eisley Cantina: The Tale of the Wolfman and the Lamproid", did Lak Sivrak and Dice Ibegon really have a time-shifting attunement to the Force? If so, does that mean they joined Anakin, Obi-Wan, and Yoda as force ghosts on the Endor moon?
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Sep 27, 2006 9:45 PM   in response to: Leland Y Chee in response to: Leland Y Chee
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Tasty Taste: The Union comics depict a female Twilek Jedi with "white" colouration attending the Jedi wedding. Who is this? Is it Swilja Fenn? I think she is the only Twi'lek Jedi without an identified colour.

Kiro
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Sep 27, 2006 5:08 PM   in response to: Leland Y Chee in response to: Leland Y Chee
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Tasty Taste: >>No current plans to make the Darth Maul "Nameless" story from Star Wars Tales #10 in-continuity.<<

Technically, at least one element of "Nameless"---the Twi'lek Jedi Siolo Ur Manka---has already been referenced into canon, by Abel Pena in The Dark Forces Saga, Part 4. Under the Boc section, one Siolo'urmanka is mentioned; this would be the Ryl version of the Siolo's name.

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