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Sompeetalay


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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Aug 6, 2010 4:02 PM   in response to: Leland Y Chee in response to: Leland Y Chee
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Thank you very much for this confirmation. I appreciate this !
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Posted: Aug 6, 2010 10:57 AM   in response to: Nathan P. Butler in response to: Nathan P. Butler
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Well, we did bring back the Annoo-dat species name in 2002. :p
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Posted: Aug 6, 2010 10:51 AM   in response to: Sompeetalay in response to: Sompeetalay
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Yes, the Sundered Heart being in Revenge of the Sith instead of the Tantive IV is new. We thought long and hard before making this retcon given the effort we went through to come up with retrofit explanation as to why the corvette in Revenge of the Sith was the shorter CR70 version and the one in A New Hope was the longer CR90 version. That's about all I can say at this point.
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Posted: Aug 6, 2010 1:02 AM   in response to: Leland Y Chee in response to: Leland Y Chee
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Dear Mr. Chee

'Star Wars Blueprints: Rebel Edition' says that Bail Organa is using the Sundered Heart in RotS as his CR70 and not the Tantive IV as was mentioned in previous sources. So according to 'Rebel Edition' the Corvettes used by Bail in RotS and Leia in ANH (being the Tantive IV of course) turn out to be two different ships. I thought that the Tantive IV had been retooled by a Vanguard c20 Retrofit Suite (Starships of the Galaxy 2007) from a CR70 to a CR90.
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Jul 29, 2010 8:08 PM   in response to: droidsandewoks in response to: droidsandewoks
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I think I recall Leland saying that any info from toys is also consided canonical. Unless it's contradicted somewhere, I would think info from old Droids toys would be considered S-canon.
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Posted: Jul 29, 2010 7:53 PM   in response to: Nathan P. Butler in response to: Nathan P. Butler
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I'm pretty sure that Vlix was not meant to be the older son of Sise, because in the cartoon Vlix refers to Sise as "your father" when speaking with Tig. Tig also refers to Sise as "my father" when speaking with Vlix, so the Oncard last name given to Vlix should not nullify the older son. If this is the case, would the brother be a canon character, or since the info came from a toy manufacturer, is it not considered legit? About the continued existence of the gang, you're right, I was forgetting about the appearance of Tig and Vlix in the Droids comic. So I guess at least the two of them must have been released by Jabba. It would be cool to see the gang reappear some day.
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Posted: Jul 29, 2010 7:01 PM   in response to: droidsandewoks in response to: droidsandewoks
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droidsandewoks wrote:
Here's a mystery that Nathan may have some insight on since he's been spending a bit of time with Droids lately! As I've been looking over the Droids coins that were issued with the Kenner figures, I noticed that Tig Fromm's coin contains a bit of a mystery in the bio. The coin states that Tig is the younger son of Sise Fromm. Apparently, "there is another" Fromm! This older brother has never been mentioned anywhere else apart from this coin. So, is he then a real canon character? Is he a part of his father's gang? I'm guessing he likely would be. Was he more successful than Tig? It would be hard not to be! So perhaps reports of the demise of the Fromm Gang after the capture of Sise, Tig and Vlix by Boba Fett were premature. This gang was already established as being large and powerful in the Droids series. Could the capture of three high ranking members of the gang really mean the end? Perhaps not. Perhaps the Fromm Gang lives on under the leadership of the elder son of Sise, preparing to rise again in the Star Wars Expanded Universe!

Interesting. I don't recall ever having heard of another child of Sise Fromm. I have to wonder if it either Kenner was thinking that Vlix was his son as well, or perhaps Vlix was meant to be his son, but it never became public knowledge, so when Rich Handley and Able Pena created the "Oncard" last name (as a joke for "Vlix on Card," a prized Star Wars figure), it abolished the idea.

As for the Fromm Gang not totally dying out after Fett nabs them at the end of A Race to the Finish, bear in mind that the Fromms return in the Droids comics from Marvel, years after the cartoon series.

Frankly, since we've almost never even seen their species again, let alone more Fromms, I'd say it falls into that "disappeared" continuity stuff like the Boba Fett background on his first trading card years ago.
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Posted: Jul 29, 2010 6:46 PM   in response to: Leland Y Chee in response to: Leland Y Chee
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Here's a mystery that Nathan may have some insight on since he's been spending a bit of time with Droids lately! As I've been looking over the Droids coins that were issued with the Kenner figures, I noticed that Tig Fromm's coin contains a bit of a mystery in the bio. The coin states that Tig is the younger son of Sise Fromm. Apparently, "there is another" Fromm! This older brother has never been mentioned anywhere else apart from this coin. So, is he then a real canon character? Is he a part of his father's gang? I'm guessing he likely would be. Was he more successful than Tig? It would be hard not to be! So perhaps reports of the demise of the Fromm Gang after the capture of Sise, Tig and Vlix by Boba Fett were premature. This gang was already established as being large and powerful in the Droids series. Could the capture of three high ranking members of the gang really mean the end? Perhaps not. Perhaps the Fromm Gang lives on under the leadership of the elder son of Sise, preparing to rise again in the Star Wars Expanded Universe!

Edited by: droidsandewoks on Jul 29, 2010 10:47 PM
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Jul 27, 2010 3:16 PM   in response to: Acebat Returns in response to: Acebat Returns
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Acebat Returns wrote:
What makes 1,020 BBY a reasonable landmark for the Darth Bane novels?

Im no expert on continuity like Nathan here, but 1020 BBY is when the Drth Bane novels started, right? When he was just Dessel and working the mines of Apatros.


Nope, the prologue of Path of Destruction is set 1,006 BBY. Bane was born 1,026 BBY, so it's not based on his birthdate, and he doesn't start working in the mines until 1,013 BBY, so it's not that either.

Like I said, it's just a landmark. It might have made more sense to use 1,010 BBY instead of 1,020 BBY, though.
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Posted: Jul 27, 2010 1:06 PM   in response to: Leland Y Chee in response to: Leland Y Chee
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Tantos from the The Ghostling Children and Tantos Dree from the WEG corebook are the same person?
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Posted: Jul 26, 2010 12:08 PM   in response to: Sky74 in response to: Sky74
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What makes 1,020 BBY a reasonable landmark for the Darth Bane novels?

Im no expert on continuity like Nathan here, but 1020 BBY is when the Drth Bane novels started, right? When he was just Dessel and working the mines of Apatros.
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Posted: Jul 26, 2010 5:34 AM   in response to: Nathan P. Butler in response to: Nathan P. Butler
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Nathan P. Butler wrote:
Well, 1,020 BBY is just a landmark, just like 3,650 BBY is a landmark right before Fatal Alliance. That by no means indicates that the novels take place in that year, any more than seeing 19 BBY as the most recent landmark before TFU means TFU took place in 19 BBY.

I got your point, Nathan, but still... The 19 BBY landmark in the timeline is set by Episode III, and this movie is really placed at 19 BBY. It makes sense that way. That they decided not to give any detailed years for the following books up to year 0 is probably a matter of available space or whatever.

So, my question is: What makes 1,020 BBY a reasonable landmark for the Darth Bane novels? Is it really that one of the shorter flashbacks lasts back to this year? And while we're at it: Why was 3,650 BBY chosen for Fatal Alliance ? It's the only book in this timeframe right now and if it doesn't start exactly at 3,650 BBY, why don't they give us the real date? Or is part of the story taking place in 3,650 (haven't read it yet)? If not, I think this placement in the timeline is quite confusing, too.

And like I said, what strikes me most: Why ist the Old Republic era now lasting till 33 BBY in the new novels' timeline? That wasn't the case in any other publications so far and Dark Horse still states that this era ends 1,000 BBY in their new The Old Republic comics.

Edited by: Sky74 on Jul 26, 2010 2:38 PM

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Posted: Jul 25, 2010 10:26 AM   in response to: Sky74 in response to: Sky74
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Sky74 wrote:
Thanks for your reply, Nathan. It totally agree with you, and the dates you gave meet my take on this, too. But I still wonder why exactly 1020 BBY was chosen for the timeline in the novels nonetheless. Any word from Leland on this matter would be very much appreciated. Was it just that all three Bane novels could be published under the Old Republic logo, an era that ends with 1000 BBY? And why does it say now that the Old Republic era lasts till 33 BBY in the new books instead of 1000 BBY?

Well, 1,020 BBY is just a landmark, just like 3,650 BBY is a landmark right before Fatal Alliance. That by no means indicates that the novels take place in that year, any more than seeing 19 BBY as the most recent landmark before TFU means TFU took place in 19 BBY.
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Posted: Jul 25, 2010 5:11 AM   in response to: Nathan P. Butler in response to: Nathan P. Butler
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Thanks for your reply, Nathan. It totally agree with you, and the dates you gave meet my take on this, too. But I still wonder why exactly 1020 BBY was chosen for the timeline in the novels nonetheless. Any word from Leland on this matter would be very much appreciated. Was it just that all three Bane novels could be published under the Old Republic logo, an era that ends with 1000 BBY? And why does it say now that the Old Republic era lasts till 33 BBY in the new books instead of 1000 BBY?
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Posted: Jul 20, 2010 8:44 PM   in response to: Le Passant in response to: Le Passant
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Le Passant wrote:
Do the Kowakian monkey-lizard (Pikk) mentionned in the decoded version of Dooku captured in reality is Picaroon C. Boodle (alias Pic), the Dark Jedi ?

What a coincidence, two Kowakian monkey-lizard with a similar name...


The Kowakian monkey-lizards working for Hondo Ohnaka are Pikk and Pilf Mukmuk. The Clone Wars Character Encyclopedia has somewhat cleared this up. Sounds totally unrelated to me.
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Posted: Jul 20, 2010 8:41 PM   in response to: Sky74 in response to: Sky74
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Sky74 wrote:
I asked it in the BCaT VIP thread before but Sue directed me here. So, any help here would be fine ... and very much appreciated. :)

1. Why are the Darth Bane novels placed at 1020 BBY in the Del Rey book's timeline? As I take it most of the first novel should take place 1000 BBY and the parts happening earlier can't take place 20 (!) years before that, can they? Do you have more precise placements for the three novels in the Holocron?


I can partially answer this one. The prologue of Path of Destruction is in 1,006 BBY, then Chapters 1 - 5 are in 1,003 BBY, Chapters 6 - 12 and part of 13 are in 1,002 BBY, the rest of Chapter 13 and Chapters 14 - 20 are in 1,001 BBY, then the rest of the novel is in 1,000 BBY.

Rule of Two picks up in 1,000 BBY with Chapters 1 - 9 or so, including some flashbacks to during Path of Destruction. You then have flashbacks to 999 BBY, 998 BBY, 996 BBY, Once you hit Chapter 10, the rest is in 990 BBY.

Dynasty of Evil picks up later with its entirety in 980 BBY.

My guess is that there are enough flashbacks within Path of Destruction to have the nearest number they chose to use be 1,020 BBY.

Remember, though, that the timelines in the novels are not broken down by year in a way that would say that anything under a specific number and divider line is in the year with that number. Those numbered barriers on the novel timeline are landmarks, so to speak. They are handy reference landmarks, so that if you look at ROTS, you'll then find a 19 BBY marker, then everything up to right before ANH are all in a section between that marker and the next. That doesn't mean everything in that group is in 19 BBY, just that 19 BBY was the most recent landmark given.
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Jul 16, 2010 1:53 PM   in response to: Leland Y Chee in response to: Leland Y Chee
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Hey Mr. Chee, I was wondering if this Imperial officer will ever be identified. Thanks!
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Posted: Jun 14, 2010 11:15 PM   in response to: Leland Y Chee in response to: Leland Y Chee
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I'm currently trying to expand an article Rorworr of Naboo on Wookieepedia, and I had a few questions.

1) Fact File 91 (TRA 17, 18) mentions the character, "Dane," in all of the image captions. I believe the author has confused Dané and Sia-Lan Wezz. Could you possibly clarify the information in the Fact File?

2) Several sources mention the Naboo Underground (Invasion of Theed Adventure Game, ) and the Naboo Resistance (Secrets of Naboo sourcebook). Both sources mention leadership figures, but none use exclusive terms (like, "The" leader). Is it safe to assume that both are just different names for the same organization, (possibly including Naboo freedom fighter groups mentioned in other sources, such as Galactic Battlegrounds/Battle for Naboo)?

3) Do you have any information or rulings on the Battle of Skorrupon? Specifically, I'm looking for a date (simultaneous with Doom Mission?), but any rulings or holocron-only information would be lovely.
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Posted: May 8, 2010 5:47 AM   in response to: Leland Y Chee in response to: Leland Y Chee
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Mr Chee:
In the holocron database, is there any information about the Saxton/Luceno-created warships namedropped in AOTC: Incredible Cross-Sections, ROTS: Incredible Cross-Sections and Inside the Worlds of the Star Wars Trilogy? I'm thinking specifically of the Mandator and Mandator II, the Procurator and the Praetor. The books themselves are very brief in mentioning them and I was wondering if notes or other information left behind has been added to the Holocron that wasn't in the books. If so, can you relay this info, for them or other DK ship classes? (Allegiences, ship stats etc.)

Thanks in advance! :)
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: May 6, 2010 2:14 PM   in response to: Rancor_Orga in response to: Rancor_Orga
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Yes, I know...but eyh, Jan Strange, Jan Ors... :p

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