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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
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Jan 19, 2009 4:37 PM
in response to: Leland Y Chee
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Mr. Chee, does the Holocron continuty database offer explanations as to why dark side users die different ways? Palpatine and Joruus C'baoth exploded in blue light of dark side energy, Jerec, Darth Nihilus, and others dissolved in dark side energy, and Dooku and most other Sith Lords just die and that's it. Since the holocron database explains that certain Jedi turn into force ghosts only when they know how to be one with the force, does it also have some explanation for this similar behavior for dark side users?
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
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Jan 11, 2009 5:00 PM
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Mr. Chee, I just stumbled across the image of the dark jedi exodus and their arrival on Korriban shown in TotJ: The Golden Age of the Sith.
My question as KotOR reader is now, if the resemblance between Dathka Graush's helmet from the comic to the helmet as shown in TotJ is only coincidental - and if the person on Korriban is actually Graush.
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
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Jan 9, 2009 1:32 PM
in response to: Leland Y Chee
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Hello Mr. Chee!
I have a question regarding Mazzic from the Thrawn trilogy books and comics. In Star Wars Gamer 3 he is described and depicted as a human, but the comic adaption of The Last Command shows him as a Myke. What does the Holocron say about his species - is he human or Myke?
Thanks in advance!
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
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Jan 6, 2009 2:51 PM
in response to: Leland Y Chee
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What are the measurements for Darth Maul's lightsaber? The hilt, the blades?
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
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Dec 28, 2008 8:27 AM
in response to: Leland Y Chee
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Are the Jedi titles "Master of the Order" and "Grand Master" meant to be the same? They have separate entries in The Complete Star Wars Encyclopedia, but Yoda (who was identified as a Master of the Order in the CSWE) was called Grand Master in Yoda: Dark Rendezvous. The entry for Grand Master hints that the titleholder was the sole leader of the Jedi Order, which seems odd for Luke Skywalker, as Grand Master of the New Jedi Order, to be part of a council.
And while I'm on the subject, would that make Mace Windu, the Master of the Order until after the Battle of Geonosis per the CSWE, a Grand Master as well?
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
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Dec 17, 2008 10:34 PM
in response to: Leland Y Chee
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Leland: In the comic Purge, there's a clone trooper commander with the markings of Commander Deviss. Does he have a name? Or is he Deviss?
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
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Dec 5, 2008 3:37 PM
in response to: Rghrous
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That quote doesn't give reason to think movie novelizations are G.
Also, I've often wondered whether that quote is representative of the Holocron's continuity paradigm. Confirm or deny, Leland?
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
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Dec 5, 2008 8:44 AM
in response to: Darth_Henning
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2001 "Ask the Jedi Council" response by Steve Sansweet (director of fan relations) and Chris Cerasi (an editor for Lucas Books at the time), it was stated that:
"When it comes to absolute canon, the real story of Star Wars, you must turn to the films themselves ? and only the films. Even novelizations are interpretations of the film, and while they are largely true to George Lucas' vision (he works quite closely with the novel authors), the method in which they are written does allow for some minor differences. The novelizations are written concurrently with the film's production, so variations in detail do creep in from time to time. Nonetheless, they should be regarded as very accurate depictions of the fictional Star Wars movies.
The definition of G-Cannon the novlizations are included, but they are still less cannon than the Movies, OF course we know Have a T-Cannon for the TV Series that is above C- Cannon.
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
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Dec 5, 2008 7:45 AM
in response to: DarthMRN
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I could be wrong.
Personally, I take everything except contradictions to be of exactly equal canon level, so I've never had more than a casual interest in the official position on said. However, I would assume that as the novelizations are written separately from the movie by authors other than Lucas, they wouldn't be as "canon" as the things he has directed/produced/overseen (the movies and TV).
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
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Dec 5, 2008 7:40 AM
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The novelizations are more canon than the EU, but less so than the movies.
This is a fan assumption, as far as I know.
Leland hasn't made such a distinction within a singular level of canon that I know of. Nor should he need to, when contradictions are resolved case by case.
That said though, a source which has been subjected to Lucas input will usually be held in higher regard by fans than strict EU ones, so for all intents and purposes in the fan perspective, a movie novelization will be higher C-canon than say, a video game.
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
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Dec 5, 2008 7:22 AM
in response to: HolyEwok
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The novelizations are more canon than the EU, but less so than the movies.
For example, the ROTJ novelization says that Owen Lars is Obi-wan's brother. Clearly not the truth, he's actually Anakin's half brother.
Therefore, they cannot be the same canon level as the movies and TV series as made by GL.
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
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Dec 5, 2008 7:17 AM
in response to: DarthMRN
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There's no real contradiction as such. Well, there are a few, but nothing really serious (how bright a turbolaser bolt is and so on). It's more a question of feel for me. This might sound silly, but I'm in the middle of writing a fanfic and I wanted it to have a Star Wars "feel" to it, and the novels and cartoon series feel different from each other.
But I was under the impression that the movie novelizations were G-canon, and not C-canon?
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
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Dec 5, 2008 6:47 AM
in response to: HolyEwok
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Oh, that's a tricky one. In fear of stealing jSarek's line, all such instances are determined on a case by case basis. No hard and fast rules. But the TV show being T-canon, while the novels are C, one would assume the former wins out.
Mind sharing the contradiction?
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
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Dec 5, 2008 6:46 AM
in response to: HolyEwok
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Generally it goes like this:
Movie Canon
Television Canon
Movie Novelization/Reference Guide Canon
General EU Canon (TTT, JAT, NJO, LOTF)
Secondary EU Canon (early marvel and the like)
Tales Canon (if applicable)
Infinities Non-canon
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
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Dec 5, 2008 6:32 AM
in response to: Leland Y Chee
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Hello.
There's something I've been wondering for a while now when it comes to the canon hierarchy I've seen mentioned in this thread, and I was hoping Chee would have the time to reply. If there's a contradiction between the movie novelizations and the Clone Wars series that's on the telly now, which is considered more accurate? If the novelization says something that's not in the movies and the CW series says something else, which will be considered canon?
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
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Dec 4, 2008 4:55 PM
in response to: The Rew
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*It seems that when Zahn wrote his trilogy, he figured
the Clone Wars to be a longer time ago than they
actually were (which itself doesn't make sense in
light of even the original trilogy (much less the
prequels!), since Obi-Wan told Luke that he and his
father fought in those wars together before he became
Vader).*
Actually, it made perfect sense given the information he had to work with at the time. This is why Lucas should have written a "bible" for the EU authors...much retconning and many continuity errors could have been avoided.
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
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Dec 4, 2008 6:21 AM
in response to: Darth_Henning
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Why does it say in the Complete Star Wars Encyclopedia that Tikkes was killed on Mustafar when you said before that he didn't even go to Mustafar?
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
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Dec 1, 2008 12:25 PM
in response to: The Rew
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I believe (and I could be wrong) that the dates in TTT have been ret-conned to be in the Norghi (much shorter years) calender, rather than the standard galactic one (~365 days/year).
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
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Dec 1, 2008 10:03 AM
in response to: The Rew
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Oh, and another continuity error I've spotted in the Thrawn Trilogy!
Leia comes to the ghastly realization that the Noghri home world of Honoghr was first despoiled 44 years ago--which Leia says was during the Clone Wars. If the TT takes place in 9 ABY, then 44 years earlier would be 36 BBY (someone check my math here >_> )--which is before Episode I, much less Episode II and the outbreak of the Clone Wars. Moreover, Vader couldn't appear to "aid" the Noghri people at that time since at that point he was still a slave boy on Tatooine--who wouldn't even don the dark mask for another 17 years!
How do we reconcile this continuity error as well? It seems that when Zahn wrote his trilogy, he figured the Clone Wars to be a longer time ago than they actually were (which itself doesn't make sense in light of even the original trilogy (much less the prequels!), since Obi-Wan told Luke that he and his father fought in those wars together before he became Vader).
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