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Posted: Aug 5, 2008 5:39 AM   in response to: Lord Darth Deva... in response to: Lord Darth Deva...
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Third time... :

It is said in the German Version of The Star Wars Official Fact Files that Executor Sedriss was originally named Qaga Lok, that he was a descendant of Ulic Qel-Droma, who renamed himself Sedriss QL ( therefore Sedriss would be a Sith name...) in honor of the Darth title ( which he replaced by the Imperial title of Executor )...
Actually, with the unpublished Lightsider novel, Sedriss's origines are a mystery... So : are these informations official or unofficial, please ?
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Posted: Aug 5, 2008 4:55 AM   in response to: grobiano in response to: grobiano
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Okay, a question not having to do with The Clone Wars, instead relating to the Banking Clan transport. Earlier in this forum you said that the transport did not appear in Episode II. Two part question: Is there a smaller ship in front of the core ship in this image (lower left corner of the frame)? And if so, could it be a Banking Clan transport? I can't tell myself, but another user on Wookieepedia claims that it could be the afforementioned transport.
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Posted: Aug 5, 2008 4:45 AM   in response to: Leland Y Chee in response to: Leland Y Chee
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Just a thought: The reason the CW timeline would need to be compressed is Anakin's earlier-than-originally-established ascension to knighthood, right? In order to take a Padawan himself. But is it really necessary for Ahsoka to become his Padawan right at the start? Why can't it be she just accompanied Anakin and Obi-Wan throughout much of the war (the film, much of the TV series), only to officially become Anakin's Padawan somewhere after the Battle of Praesitlyn (possibly late part of series)? I realize the film is already finished by this point, and if she is explicitly mentioned to be his Padawan in the film, please ignore this post.
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Posted: Aug 4, 2008 3:19 PM   in response to: Leland Y Chee in response to: Leland Y Chee
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So I take it that the timeframe of 22-19 BBY will still be the timeframe of the Clone Wars, just with vague dates for certain battles.
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Posted: Aug 4, 2008 12:28 PM   in response to: the fragrant wo... in response to: the fragrant wo...
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Will this timeline feature the new compressed Clone Wars timeline, or, because it's so near to publication, will it be the old timeline?

Don't be suprised if the the Clone Wars portion of the timeline is a bit vague.
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Posted: Aug 4, 2008 11:11 AM   in response to: Leland Y Chee in response to: Leland Y Chee
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I just read the 'first look' article for the new Star Wars Encyclopedia and it claims that there will be a timeline of major events included.

Will this timeline feature the new compressed Clone Wars timeline, or, because it's so near to publication, will it be the old timeline?
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Posted: Aug 4, 2008 10:54 AM   in response to: Leland Y Chee in response to: Leland Y Chee
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I have some questions about some of Hasbro's Droids that they will be releasing as extra figures with the Legacy line. I'm wondering if you could tell me where to find some of them and who they are. Since they're lacking a proper card, I fear no info will be available on them.

I won't be addressing specifics because not all the names are final just yet. I can say that Hasbro sometimes bases many of their action figures on available reference taken during production, not necessarily from what we see in the final film. When possible, we prefer to use previously established official names for characters. The name MB-RA-7 is from the Star Wars Kids magazine.
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Posted: Aug 4, 2008 6:23 AM   in response to: DarthMRN in response to: DarthMRN
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And to paraphrase from my comments at The Clone Wars books panel at Comic-Con, Star Wars continuity doesn't reboot.

God bless you, Leland Chee. :D
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Posted: Aug 3, 2008 9:53 PM   in response to: Leland Y Chee in response to: Leland Y Chee
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Regarding the OT novelizations, there is no intent to update them. If you want a version more accurate to the current version of the films, I'd suggest taking a look at the Scholastic junior novels from 2004 by Ryder Windham.

Will do.

However, that does not preclude the OT novels having been rendered S-canon. Just for the record, are you at liberty to reveal how they are treated in the Holocron? I have learned not to take anything for granted when it comes to continuity, so humour me.

If the omission was deliberate, feel free to ignore the question.

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Posted: Aug 3, 2008 12:47 PM   in response to: Leland Y Chee in response to: Leland Y Chee
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Yep, thought so... But since I saw Leland Chee had posted here, I figured what the heck and ask anyway... I mean, they must have some idea when the movie takes place don't they?

Well, maybe in five days when I return from a little family-vacation, I will be surprised by a date... (one can always hope, can't one?) ;)
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Posted: Aug 3, 2008 10:42 AM   in response to: eddie in response to: eddie
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Dude, it hasn't even been officially stated in which month Jedi Twilight takes place, and it says so in the book! Sadly, it says to different dates in the book, but we have neither. :P
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Posted: Aug 3, 2008 10:03 AM   in response to: Leland Y Chee in response to: Leland Y Chee
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Has it already been officially stated in which month the new movie takes place?
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Posted: Aug 3, 2008 9:24 AM   in response to: ulic_g99 in response to: ulic_g99
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Regarding the OT novelizations, there is no intent to update them. If you want a version more accurate to the current version of the films, I'd suggest taking a look at the Scholastic junior novels from 2004 by Ryder Windham.

Regarding The Clone Wars movie novelization, these were done a bit differently than our prequel trilogy novels (I'm not exactly sure how it was handled in the OT novels). For the prequel trilogy novels, each of the authors met directly with George Lucas to discuss story points and character motivations. The Clone Wars is more of an interpretation of the movie script (actually more like a hybrid of the individual episodic scripts which make up the movie including scenes that were done for the episodes but were cut from the movie as well as scenes that were created specifically for the movie that weren't in the individual episodes). There also wasn't any direct contact this time around between the novelization author and George Lucas or the writers and director. And as with the previous novelizations, anything created by the author or taken from previous EU is considered C-Canon and anything from the scripts and movie are T-Canon.

The main difference between George Lucas's "3-Pillars" and the Holocron's canon system is that the Holocron system does not take into account any of the 3rd Pillar fan-generated material. This material is not represented in the Holocron unless it gets canonized by an official source. The 501st Legion, R2-KT, What's the Story, etc. are just some examples.
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Posted: Aug 3, 2008 6:05 AM   in response to: Leland Y Chee in response to: Leland Y Chee
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well, there's two different ways of looking at canon and continuity: the holocrons canon levels and george lucas' three pillars of star wars. if u look at canon from the three pillars perspective, the clone wars novelization will be part of the highest pillar: the lucas pillar, which is lucas' vision of star wars.

It should be noted though that the Pillars and the Holocron canon levels are in actual fact different names for the same thing (as per this thread; page 124, post 12 and page 125, post 1) - the Lucas pillar is comprised of G and T canon, with the EU pillar being C and S canon and the Fan pillar being N canon.
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Posted: Aug 3, 2008 2:13 AM   in response to: DarthMRN in response to: DarthMRN
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Cheers guys.
I hadn't picked up on the new T-canon thing, but now I know.
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Posted: Aug 2, 2008 11:12 PM   in response to: Nathan P. Butler in response to: Nathan P. Butler
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For timelines, I agree. That sounds like a lost cause, one best resolved with Chronologies.

For the rest, argument C is the most convincing. If there is a whole legal whoptidoo to wade through just for the sake of changing a few details, I can see that possibility staying unused. Though a 25. anniversary sounds like sufficient cause to do so, if there ever was any...

That is a darn shame. That in practice means the OT novelizations cannot be taken seriously as proof on their own, not because they are particularly inaccurate, but because you cannot know what to believe and what not to. Makes research difficult. I guess I'll just have to mentally overwrite anything they say if it has been contradicted by a newer source. It annoys me that this is the best solution available for something as essential as these novels.
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Posted: Aug 2, 2008 9:53 PM   in response to: DarthMRN in response to: DarthMRN
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Oh? Impractical? How do you figure?

Because (a) you don't just reprint something to fix a timeline; (b) you don't spend countless hours scouring materials for chronological references to fix when doing a reprint; and (c) in some contracts, reprinted materials that are altered are no longer reprints and have different contractual obligations involved. It's extremely rare to have errors fixed in subsequent editions, unless there is an extremely compelling reason to do so, such as the screwed up art page in Legacy that made it look as though Cade was making a loving goodbye gesture to Marasiah Fel instead of Deliah Blue.

There would have to be a compelling reason for a reprint, and for that reprint to be changed.
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Posted: Aug 2, 2008 8:00 PM   in response to: Nathan P. Butler in response to: Nathan P. Butler
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*was always under the impression (I could be wrong)
that all the movie novelisations were G-canon.
If that's the case, and 'The Clone Wars' movie is
also G-canon, then is 'The Clone Wars' novelisation
also G-canon?
Which would make a lot of the EU stuff that KT stuck
in there G-canon too, right? *

well, there's two different ways of looking at canon and continuity: the holocrons canon levels and george lucas' three pillars of star wars. if u look at canon from the three pillars perspective, the clone wars novelization will be part of the highest pillar: the lucas pillar, which is lucas' vision of star wars.
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Posted: Aug 2, 2008 7:20 PM   in response to: DarthMRN in response to: DarthMRN
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IMO, from a continuity standpoint, the impractical thing to do would be to reprint some very important works, after having had 25 years to spot their flaws and retcon those that could be retconned in other ways, and not fix what remain in the process. Owen Kenobi? leave him in, he's been dealt with. President of the Senate? Replace the darn thing while you are at it!

Though, I haven't actually read the updated versions, so for all I know someone already has fixed them. But when no one on the official boards, not even the continuity buffs who frequent this thread, have confirmed anything of the sort yet, I'm losing hope fast...
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Posted: Aug 2, 2008 7:18 PM   in response to: Nathan P. Butler in response to: Nathan P. Butler
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Again, it's impractical to reprint all of these materials in edited, retconned form, so it is our responsibility as readers to recognize those retcons and take them into account while reading and trying to understand it all.

Oh? Impractical? How do you figure?

The only impracticality I can see to doing so would be the extra work involved. I have read several times of how authors of novels promise to go back and fix errors -continuity and otherwise- in later editions, and comic book writers saying "We'll fix it in the TPB", so obviously correcting things isn't too impractical then. And those sources are far less quoted, and have far less status among fans and readers then the OT novelizations do.

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