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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: May 12, 2008 2:53 PM   in response to: johnboy1600 in response to: johnboy1600
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I realize that continuity is going to be shifted and shuffled around in favor of the new Clone Wars movie/series--but does this mean a total "painting over" of the CW stories already in existence? In other words, is this a Clone Wars "reboot" (which I believe would be categorically bad and detrimental to the integrity of Star Wars, by the way) or just a "This is George's vision and the rest will be worked to fit accordingly."?

There's already quite the thread about this over at TF.N.
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: May 9, 2008 10:37 PM   in response to: Leland Y Chee in response to: Leland Y Chee
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I realize I'm probably being unfair in asking this so long before the products in question are released, but I suppose it can't hurt.

1.) Do you have any confirmation on exactly when The Clone Wars theatrical film will take place. It's obviously after Dreadnaughts of Rendili (Anakin has the scar) and before Labyrinth of Evil, but beyond that, can you specify anything?

2.) Is there word concerning what year the Millennium Falcon novel will take place?

Totally understandable if you haven't gotten the memo, yet, but just thought I'd ask.
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: May 9, 2008 6:37 PM   in response to: DarthMRN in response to: DarthMRN
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T-canon in its entirety is not supposed to be considered part of the EU pillar, but part of the Lucas pillar.
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: May 8, 2008 2:57 PM   in response to: Leland Y Chee in response to: Leland Y Chee
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Holy cow! So, could you clarify even further?

Is The Clone Wars considered G-canon, or does this mean that T-canon in its entirety is not supposed to be considered part of the EU pillar, but part of the Lucas pillar?
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: May 8, 2008 9:16 AM   in response to: Leland Y Chee in response to: Leland Y Chee
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*3) i've read some articles that say the clone wars and the live action series are going to be considered official star wars canon, along with the movies. official star wars canon? is that true?

Most things novadays are official SW canon. But there are different levels of it, each more reliable, or serving a certain purpose, than another. The new series will be pretty high up in this hierarchy, but not so high as the moves themselves.*

The clarify this point just a little bit further, The Clone Wars will not be considered Expanded Universe. They'll be ranked up there with The Movies.
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: May 6, 2008 3:27 AM   in response to: Ackbar's Trap in response to: Ackbar's Trap
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... "Now these three different pillars don't always match, but the movies and TV shows are all under my control and they are consistent within themselves. Howard tries to be consistent but sometimes he goes off on tangents and it's hard to hold him back. He once said to me that there are two Star Trek universes: there's the TV show and then there's all the spin-offs. He said that these were completely different and didn't have anything to do with each other. So I said, "OK, go ahead." In the early days I told them that they couldn't do anything about how Darth Vader was born, for obvious reasons, but otherwise I pretty much let them do whatever they wanted. They created this whole amazing universe that goes on for millions of years!"

http://www.canonwars.com/weblog/2008/04/once-again-yet-another-new-l ucas-quote.html
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: May 6, 2008 3:22 AM   in response to: DarthMRN in response to: DarthMRN
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Lucas SW, the EU and Fanon being the three pillars.

That appears to be correct. The "three pillars" thing looks to be an expansion of the old "two universe" / "parallel universe" phrasing to acknowledge all the fan materials, while also making the same point on continuity.

Here's a collection of the recent quotes:

http://www.canonwars.com/weblog/2008/03/bounty-showest-2008-reports.html

And here's more explanation from George on the three pillars:

"The Star Wars universe has expanded far beyond the movies. How much leeway do the game makers and novel writers have?

They have their own kind of world. There's three pillars of Star Wars. I'll probably get in trouble for this but it's OK! There's three pillars: the father, the son and the holy ghost. I'm the father, Howard Roffman president of Lucas Licensing is the son and the holy ghost is the fans, this kind of ethereal world of people coming up with all kinds of different ideas and histories."
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Apr 25, 2008 12:31 PM   in response to: Leland Y Chee in response to: Leland Y Chee
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Tasty,
why was the Reprisal used as Vader's flagship in the Empire comic series and not the +Executor+?
Thank you!
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Apr 25, 2008 11:48 AM   in response to: super mace windu in response to: super mace windu
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1) how come the clone wars movie is not being considered part of the film only continuity?

Not made by Lucas, even though he is involved. It isn't "his" project. Making it less refined SW.

2) lucas was saying something about three pillars of star wars, one of which was the fans' world. does he mean continuities?

Not knowing the details around the comment you refer to, I can only assume he meant each individual fan's expansion on SW in their own minds and fanwork. Lucas SW, the EU and Fanon being the three pillars.

3) i've read some articles that say the clone wars and the live action series are going to be considered official star wars canon, along with the movies. official star wars canon? is that true?

Most things novadays are official SW canon. But there are different levels of it, each more reliable, or serving a certain purpose, than another. The new series will be pretty high up in this hierarchy, but not so high as the moves themselves.
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Apr 25, 2008 8:34 AM   in response to: super mace windu in response to: super mace windu
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1) Because it isn't a true SW movie. It's not an Episode.
2) Because the fans are always there to support SW and if it didn't have so many fans it would have dried out years ago.
3) Of course the CW series will be canon. It would be a extreme waste of time to create an Infinities series.
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Apr 24, 2008 9:36 PM   in response to: yoda´s waiter in response to: yoda´s waiter
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i have 3 questions:
1) how come the clone wars movie is not being considered part of the film only continuity?

2) lucas was saying something about three pillars of star wars, one of which was the fans' world. does he mean continuities? what does he mean by that?

3) i've read some articles that say the clone wars and the live action series are going to be considered official star wars canon, along with the movies. official star wars canon? is that true? maybe all i need is an elaboration on this.
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Apr 21, 2008 4:53 AM   in response to: Leland Y Chee in response to: Leland Y Chee
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What is the canon status of the Death Star breakout as seen in +Battlefront II+? Did a Jedi padawan and the 501st really participate in it? The reason I'm asking is that the Death Star novel seems to imply that it was a normal breakout and the Jedi padawan and the 501st participation in the battle is an exaggerated rumour which is floating about the battle station
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Apr 20, 2008 2:27 PM   in response to: Leland Y Chee in response to: Leland Y Chee
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Hi Tasty. I was wondering how much information was in the Holocron regarding that infamous live-action extravaganza on ice "for kids 3 to 93", The Ewoks and the Magic Sunberries. Is there any info on the story at all (apparently from a script by Anne Snyder)?
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Apr 16, 2008 11:13 PM   in response to: Leland Y Chee in response to: Leland Y Chee
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If you could, it would be... beyond awesome. :P
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Apr 15, 2008 11:50 PM   in response to: TK 000 in response to: TK 000
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Tasty - do you know if LFL has plans to ever make the various fonts used in the prequel films-- such as Huttese, Mandalorian, Geonosian, and "Star Wars 76"-- public, or at least the character map for them?
Hmmm... maybe I could work that into a future Insider Q&A.
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Apr 15, 2008 9:43 AM   in response to: Leland Y Chee in response to: Leland Y Chee
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Tasty - do you know if LFL has plans to ever make the various fonts used in the prequel films-- such as Huttese, Mandalorian, Geonosian, and "Star Wars 76"-- public, or at least the character map for them?
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Apr 15, 2008 2:32 AM   in response to: DarthMRN in response to: DarthMRN
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Cross-reference with the EGttF reveals that even Arca throught he was being made a Dark Jedi. Given this being the most recent source, I guess that answers the ghost question.
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Apr 14, 2008 8:13 AM   in response to: DarthMRN in response to: DarthMRN
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Dear Leland, I was wondering if you could tell me which Droid is 'Choco' from the 'Great Heep'. Is he the Droid that finds Artoo before heading to the Droid Harem?

And what Biituian is Darva exactly? Is she the woman with the hat?
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Apr 14, 2008 4:05 AM   in response to: PiccoloKenobi in response to: PiccoloKenobi
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In Tales of the Jedi: The Freedon Nadd Uprising 2, Arca Jeth is being tortured by King Ommin. According to the comic, Ommin's plan was to torture Arca until he finally gave in to the dark side and became a Dark Jedi, much like Malak did to Bastila in KotOR 1. However, the Power of the Jedi Sourcebook states that Ommin's plan was to turn him to the dark side, then kill him so that he would become a Dark Side Spirit.

Which version is correct?

True, neither actually happened, so what's the significance, right? Well, the comic version does not present any wierd questions in regard to continuity at large, but the RPG book version suggests that Ommin or Nadd had the power to actually turn other Force Sensitives into Force Ghosts, as opposed to them merely being able to learn certain techniques to preserve themselves. And that certainly would be an important point with Force Ghosthood being as controversial and diffuse a topic as it is.
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Apr 10, 2008 12:55 PM   in response to: Leland Y Chee in response to: Leland Y Chee
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May I ask you to answer the question regarding Bordon and the Jedi chef? Are they the same persons?

Thanks in advance! :)

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