I think it just depends on the perception we have of the situation. If we consider it as one big continuity with elements being deemed "real or not," then it is one continuity. If every minor tweak is viewed as creating a separate "alternate universe," then it is dozens upon dozens of continuities (or more).

I think the LFL vision is the former, but if you are talking "temporal mechanics" in the scientific and sci-fi approaches to the term, then it is easy to see it as the latter.

I'll save you the overused Obi-Wan quote.

Oh I agree 100%

And I think this is where most people make the misconception that it's kept one and only one. I think the fact that Trek books for so long rebooted at the end of each book also played into that.


And again I agree with you Nathan, but as it's grown it's continued issues due to someone's ever changing vision have almost made it where every book out there has an issue with it's continuity. Or will. And due to THAT we can't really say it's all part of one story in that "one universe" sense. Cause what happens to the parts that get bumped isn't that they "go away" they are dropped a canon level or two. So they existed for "another Luke" or who ever the story was about. As with Piell- until they retcon him out of CN for good he has to exist there in a lower canon level now now in a new alternate universe where the event happened as stated, but he now dies in the prime universe (G-level - which we heard from Leland as confirmation of the events from T-level events seen by us on the show.) Imagine if Leland's statement read: "George decided to make TCW an in-universe miniseries so existing EU books and comics could continue without fear of elements lost." or "George has declared his changes from here on out only effect books with the EU2 emblem on them- all other books exist separately from G-level with no need to retcon to fit to current G-level materials"

In many regards we watch T-level TCW and await Leland to tell us what's the official G-level stance on the episodes elements.

Like Sing's not using the Force in TCW yet her backstorys with her using it still work cause they are just not mentioning her having it and for the shows intents and purposes she's not one.

But yes it could be a lot worse. But then I feel every day it gets a little worse by the tiniest of degrees- but even a single degree off a bullet will miss it's target in the long run if the target's far off in the distance.

And I ponder way too much as usual - it's my joy in life to ponder I guess. lol

That's the REAL MYTH though.

Go back in SW- it's never lined up. It's never been one same story. It's been retconing itself from the beginning. Star Wars oh wait no it was Star Wars: A New Hope.

We had Canon levels created to give us an ILLUSION of one continuity but the reality was each canon level acts like it's own universe, it's own mini continuity.

Leland said:

This certainly affects a chunk of the continuity of the first Coruscant Nights book in which Even Piell's death was originally depicted. The rest of the continuity of that series will remain intact, though this does leave open the question of who was Jax Pavan's Master.

So, it just gets chalked up to being what is, for now, and unknown Jedi Master. There are plenty of unknown/unnamed characters listed on Wookieepedia. I see no problems, as long as the Wook sticks to its own precedents.

I actually kind of like the fix, while at the same time rolling my eyes.

Why roll my eyes? Because it isn't as if any new reader of the novel will be reading and go "oh, well, that wasn't actually Even, so let me picture someone else."

But I like the fix because it is a simple solution to a "mini-nuke." There's no way to make it work with Even unless he ends up magically returning to life after being put into the lava-ish substance, or perhaps clone him. (So that's why there's Even and Evan in pronunciation! So that's why Reaves gave him two eyes! heh) In the absence of either of those, which, frankly, would totally undermine Lucas' intentions with the episode (and it's his call, so that would be a slippery slope with TCW to let the EU turn around and not retcon but undermine it).

So the only real solution is that it was a different Jedi, or that scene doesn't take place. Obviously, the latter can't happen because it would then negate the point of the first CN book.

I personally joke about the CN books frequently because I find it so utterly mind-boggling that Reaves couldn't keep the dates of the prequels and his own novels straight and managed to completely undermine the end of his own novel in doing so. Supposedly this was because he was writing with the idea that the series would be closer to ANH, though others have suggested that he has given an excuse that he was ill while writing. Either way, that series already has plenty of errors in it. That doesn't mean it needs to be "booted," though. For some, those might be their favorite novels, and who knows what might be built on the Jax Pavan foundation Reaves created?

Point being: If the solution to Jedi Alliance remaining in-continuity in light of Ziro the Hutt not being free between the TCW film and the episodes that portray his death is that we must assume that Jedi Alliance does not actually include Anakin, Obi-Wan, and Ahsoka (so we must have always chosen different characters, even when the game forces you into those characters' shoes), then this somewhat low key fix for Even Piell is at least a straightforward solution that follows a precedent from, among other things, Jedi Alliance.

Personally, I prefer precedent to completely unpredictable continuity rulings. That at least gives us a basis from which to speculate.

Notice that we also have a bit of explanation here too, which is unusual. We have a glimpse into when they found out about the episode in relation to Coruscant Nights, and the notion that they purposely minimized Piell's exposure as soon as they knew about Lucas' intentions with the episode. Unless one could negate Lucas' decision on the matter, how else could we have hoped for Leland and the EU folks to take action?

Edited by: Nathan P. Butler on Mar 12, 2011 9:53 AM

I ask for Lucas and Co to stop with the pretense and come out and officially declare anything not worked on directly by Lucas to be completely non-canon. Just make everything Infinities, it would save everyone a lot of time, grief, and frustration and just make it easier to enjoy each piece of work as its own separate entity and not part of Star Wars lore.

Then the all the EU stories are pointless. It will kill it off. You have pretty radical approach to everything.

I agree with this, make it so Mr Chee.

As for simply changing Even into a different character, that's just absurd.

"Turns out that wasn't Even Piell, it was some other guy" is easy to do, but no less ridiculous. If that's what qualifies as an easy fix these days, continuity is non-existent.

I ask for Lucas and Co to stop with the pretense and come out and officially declare anything not worked on directly by Lucas to be completely non-canon. Just make everything Infinities, it would save everyone a lot of time, grief, and frustration and just make it easier to enjoy each piece of work as its own separate entity and not part of Star Wars lore.

I like my idea more. Never liked those books anyways and in my mind the fourth will just be a waste of paper. Especially so many years after the first three came out and those three books had errors here there and everywhere. Scrap the whole story.

I have a suggestion.... just scrap the all three Coruscant Knight books and cancel the fourth.

Hello Mr. Chee,
I had a question for you regarding Empire Day. Is this holiday celebrated by the Imperial Remnant and the Fel and Krayt Empires? Or even perhaps the Empire of the Hand and other mini-empires?

Many thanks!

Edited by: Darth_Trayus1 on Mar 10, 2011 6:24 PM