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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Oct 12, 2007 3:49 AM   in response to: Darth NTM in response to: Darth NTM
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Unfortunately.

However, this new T-canon brings some promise. Perhaps it is a move by Leland to minimize contradictions somehow.
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Oct 12, 2007 12:02 AM   in response to: TheSithEmpire in response to: TheSithEmpire
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S-Canon has nothing to do with whether a source is "reliable". It's merely a category made up for older EU (ie Marvel, GODV series) that, due to the fact it was produced before continuity was a big deal, hasn't been as well worked into the timeline.

There won't be any new stuff going into that category, even if its got more continuity errors than something already in there.
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Oct 11, 2007 8:37 PM   in response to: Kiro in response to: Kiro
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At this stage in time, Marvel should really be considered C canon, with the exception of the rare issue (eg., #78 and +Flight of the Falcon+) that's beyond retconning. A good majority of the series has been referenced in later sources. But even simply out of respect for the fact that these are the first stories, authors and illustrators of the EU, there should be no question of their place and status in the Star Wars saga.

I think S canon status should be reserved for the modern video games to allow the creators (who don't have the time to research the EU) to simply make fun games utilizing whatever scenarios, events or characters they want (with the exception being multimedia events like The Force Unleashed where time has been spent ensuring the continuity of the story.)
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Oct 11, 2007 7:29 PM   in response to: JediKiller BenK... in response to: JediKiller BenK...
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Is all of Empire at War canon?

I ask because the final mission for the Galactic Empire includes destroying a large Rebel fleet at Alzoc III. Alzoc III is meant to be a secret Imperial base, which the New Republic is said not to discover until shortly before Children of the Jedi.
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Oct 11, 2007 6:33 PM   in response to: Leland Y Chee in response to: Leland Y Chee
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Are there any official explanations for vos being on kashyyyk in the clone wars vol 9 during ROTS? Ben says he his troops were moving and he was stationed on boz pity, I took this to mean his troops were going there and he followed them later because he had some unfinished business but has any official explanation been given?
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Oct 11, 2007 4:55 PM   in response to: Leland Y Chee in response to: Leland Y Chee
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Is Gizor Dellso one of the Geonosians that appears on Utapau in ROTS?
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Posted: Oct 9, 2007 7:18 PM   in response to: DarthMRN in response to: DarthMRN
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So, there are two possible explanations that I can think of:

1) I've misunderstood S-canon completely, and Han Solo featuring in a work of G-canon automatically makes every S-canon storyline, name and object centering on him C-canon.

2) S-canon is merely a non-canon, yet approved pool of ideas which licenced artists are free to draw upon for inspiration in their works, compared to N-canon, which they are prohibited from drawing upon in any way. For example, creators are free to canonize Crimson Jack from Marvel Star Wars 7 if they are so inclined, in which case the storyline about him from that comic never happened, whereas they cannot canonize Tag & Bink however much they want to.

Which is correct? And if neither, please explain.
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Oct 9, 2007 7:14 PM   in response to: DarthMRN in response to: DarthMRN
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I'll try to illustrate with an example:
The Tag & Bink stories are N-canon. Darth Vader, The Empire, and Tatooine are all C-canon elements featuring in their stories, yet the events and storylines related to them in this series are not. By comparison, Marvel Star Wars is S-canon. Han Solo, the Rebellion, and Yavin 4 are all C-canon elements featuring in the series, yet the events and storylines related to them in this series are not. I don't see the difference.
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Posted: Oct 9, 2007 7:13 PM   in response to: TalonCard86 in response to: TalonCard86
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Tasty, there is something that has been bugging me for a while, and that is the purpose of S-canon compared to N-canon. I was hoping you could shed some light on the matter.

N-canon is obvious in its purpose, namely as "what if" stories. S-canon on the other hand is open for licenced creators to ignore or use as they see fit, which from my best interpretation means that S-canon sources aren't Canon in themselves at all, just like N-canon. The difference, as I've understood it, lies in individual elements of S-canon becoming C-canon if referenced by a C-canon work. This is all well and good, but I don't see the practical difference compared to a work of N-canon.
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Oct 9, 2007 5:07 PM   in response to: TalonCard86 in response to: TalonCard86
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There's an easy retcon, though. If we assume that the Tantive left the shuttle rendezvous in X-Wing for the Toprawa system, the Immortal could be one of the other Star Destroyers mentioned in the Radio Drama. So it was still waiting in ambush. :)

TC
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Oct 9, 2007 5:05 PM   in response to: Lord Hydronium in response to: Lord Hydronium
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According to the radio dramas, the Devastator confronts the Tantive IV when it arrives at Toprawa, and later chases it to Tatooine.
X-wing, on the other hand, has the Immortal intercepting the Tantive IV. The strategy guide says Vader's on it as well, and claims it was the one over Tatooine.
So is the Immortal just a misnamed Devastator? And if it's a separate ship, how does this all work out?<

From what I understand from reading the strategy guide, the Immortal ambushed the Tantive while she was recieving technical data from the shuttle Maria. It then goes on to say that the Immortal ambushed the Tantive when she came out of hyperspace. Obviously it was intended to be Vader's ship from the movie.
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Oct 4, 2007 8:52 PM   in response to: Leland Y Chee in response to: Leland Y Chee
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Leland: Is Nenevanth Tion from HoloNet News intended to be Lord Tion from the Radio Dramas?
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Oct 4, 2007 3:25 AM   in response to: TheSithEmpire in response to: TheSithEmpire
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Oh, I didn't say it's totally different... ;)

For Bug and Tomcat: Well, they are still mentioned - but the story was cut.
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Oct 3, 2007 10:46 PM   in response to: JediKiller BenK... in response to: JediKiller BenK...
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There's no substantial discrepancy between Jedi vs. Sith and Darth Bane: Path of Destruction when you understand that all Karpyshyn did was rearrange the events of the comic so that they follow a more logical progression for the transformation of Dessel into Darth Bane. So all the events of Jedi vs. Sith are still there, just in a different order. Eddie (on these boards) and I both have timelines which show how Jedi vs. Sith now matches up. You can find mine here: .http://www.timelineuniverse.net/CoverGalleries/CoverGalleri es.htm#Jedi%20vs.%20Sith%201-6
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Oct 3, 2007 4:13 PM   in response to: PiccoloKenobi in response to: PiccoloKenobi
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So as Path of Destruction is the latest release, I
would assume it's the most canonical.

cool, thanks for clearing that up. :)
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Posted: Oct 3, 2007 12:51 PM   in response to: DarthMRN in response to: DarthMRN
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This would suggest that he has not learned something or has not made a change in himself that is required to be a Jedi. How could one gain this without the Jedi teachings? The Jensaarai were taught both traditions but were considered to be neither.
I'm not sure I understand the question. One could not become a Jedi without the teachings, or at least someone to appoint you. Though, as is the case with the Sith, if theoretically, there were no Jedi around, anyone could call himself a Jedi and re-start the organization.
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Oct 3, 2007 12:49 PM   in response to: Buju Binton in response to: Buju Binton
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If this is the case, how can one be considered a Dark Jedi if they were never taught by one who was, or have never been a part of the organization?
The Dark Jedi are not an organization. According to Tasty, every dark Force user is a Dark Jedi. Ignoring the problems inherent in that position, even if I had my way and Dark Jedi was a name exclusively reserved for fallen Jedi, that still would not make them an organization.

To answer your question, anyone who use the dark side more than the light is a Dark Jedi. No teachings required.
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Oct 3, 2007 10:17 AM   in response to: Buju Binton in response to: Buju Binton
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does anyone know how long this legacy book series spans in star wars time?
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Oct 3, 2007 10:13 AM   in response to: Leland Y Chee in response to: Leland Y Chee
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I know that this topic has been covered and I have read a couple of things here on it. So Leland, if you could respond to this I would appreciate it.

The topic is Dark Jedi, and my question is this. Is the Jedi not a religious organization, as are the Sith? To be a Sith you have to have certain teachings. And the Jedi have certain teachings. If this is the case, how can one be considered a Dark Jedi if they were never taught by one who was, or have never been a part of the organization?

When Luke dueled Vader in ESB, Vader made the statement that he was good, but he wasn?t a Jedi yet. This would suggest that he has not learned something or has not made a change in himself that is required to be a Jedi. How could one gain this without the Jedi teachings? The Jensaarai were taught both traditions but were considered to be neither.

Sorry if this has been cleared up already but I am new and haven?t found anything regarding this since the 2006 post by Leland.
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Oct 3, 2007 8:02 AM   in response to: Leland Y Chee in response to: Leland Y Chee
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+In Star Wars Insider #69, in the HoloNet News section, it says: ...The initial assault claimed 32 clones, all from the 43rd "Killer-Aiwha" Battalion, and there are three confirmed Jedi deaths: Dalnus Cam, Sana-Jis Ilowa, and Rallcema Bylissura.
Yes, those are the three Jedi we see in the comic, but we never determined which name went to which character.+

So, no one knows who is who?

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