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DarthMRN


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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Oct 3, 2007 12:51 PM   in response to: DarthMRN in response to: DarthMRN
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This would suggest that he has not learned something or has not made a change in himself that is required to be a Jedi. How could one gain this without the Jedi teachings? The Jensaarai were taught both traditions but were considered to be neither.
I'm not sure I understand the question. One could not become a Jedi without the teachings, or at least someone to appoint you. Though, as is the case with the Sith, if theoretically, there were no Jedi around, anyone could call himself a Jedi and re-start the organization.
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Posted: Oct 3, 2007 12:49 PM   in response to: Buju Binton in response to: Buju Binton
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If this is the case, how can one be considered a Dark Jedi if they were never taught by one who was, or have never been a part of the organization?
The Dark Jedi are not an organization. According to Tasty, every dark Force user is a Dark Jedi. Ignoring the problems inherent in that position, even if I had my way and Dark Jedi was a name exclusively reserved for fallen Jedi, that still would not make them an organization.

To answer your question, anyone who use the dark side more than the light is a Dark Jedi. No teachings required.
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Oct 3, 2007 10:17 AM   in response to: Buju Binton in response to: Buju Binton
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does anyone know how long this legacy book series spans in star wars time?
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Oct 3, 2007 10:13 AM   in response to: Leland Y Chee in response to: Leland Y Chee
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I know that this topic has been covered and I have read a couple of things here on it. So Leland, if you could respond to this I would appreciate it.

The topic is Dark Jedi, and my question is this. Is the Jedi not a religious organization, as are the Sith? To be a Sith you have to have certain teachings. And the Jedi have certain teachings. If this is the case, how can one be considered a Dark Jedi if they were never taught by one who was, or have never been a part of the organization?

When Luke dueled Vader in ESB, Vader made the statement that he was good, but he wasn?t a Jedi yet. This would suggest that he has not learned something or has not made a change in himself that is required to be a Jedi. How could one gain this without the Jedi teachings? The Jensaarai were taught both traditions but were considered to be neither.

Sorry if this has been cleared up already but I am new and haven?t found anything regarding this since the 2006 post by Leland.
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Oct 3, 2007 8:02 AM   in response to: Leland Y Chee in response to: Leland Y Chee
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+In Star Wars Insider #69, in the HoloNet News section, it says: ...The initial assault claimed 32 clones, all from the 43rd "Killer-Aiwha" Battalion, and there are three confirmed Jedi deaths: Dalnus Cam, Sana-Jis Ilowa, and Rallcema Bylissura.
Yes, those are the three Jedi we see in the comic, but we never determined which name went to which character.+

So, no one knows who is who?
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Oct 3, 2007 7:50 AM   in response to: PiccoloKenobi in response to: PiccoloKenobi
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No, Karpyshyn didn't completely cut out Bug and Tomcat. They're mentioned at the very end of the book.
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Posted: Oct 3, 2007 5:37 AM   in response to: JediKiller BenK... in response to: JediKiller BenK...
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As you might have noticed, Drew Karpyshyn has posted a kind of apology in his blog for the interpretation of the comic Jedi vs. Sith. He has made some changes regarding the chronology of events (Pernicar's death, Farfalla's arrival), the final outcome (Farfalla stilll alive) and has totally cut the story of Tomcat, Bug and Rain - which really wasn't that important for the books plot (well, we'll see what content Rule of Two features).

So as Path of Destruction is the latest release, I would assume it's the most canonical.
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Oct 3, 2007 2:10 AM   in response to: Leland Y Chee in response to: Leland Y Chee
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I have a question concerning What's the Story entries:

If the judges deem it best to cut content or alter certain facts from the original submission so that it would fit better with continuity, would this cut content still make it into the Holocron as Continuity Notes or in any other form?
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Posted: Oct 2, 2007 8:19 PM   in response to: Leland Y Chee in response to: Leland Y Chee
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Hey guys I just finished reading over my jedi vs sith comics again after reading the new novel and I've noticed a few inconsistencies.

spoiler like githany and lopecz leaving before the ritual for the thought bomb begins, the whole battle between bug and tomcat and Githany seeing bane again right before she dies.[/spoiler]

Would the comic be the most canon or the book?
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Posted: Sep 30, 2007 11:04 AM   in response to: grobiano in response to: grobiano
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That isn't really satisfying but I will deal with it. Seemingly female Falleen do not have scales like the males and the looks are more like humans - for this check out Savan (more Xizor-like) and Xora (more Human-like)...
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Posted: Sep 30, 2007 7:07 AM   in response to: grobiano in response to: grobiano
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Tasty, Canon questions regarding video games:

I don't think this has been answered before, but if it has, anyone feel free to direct me to an answer.

1. Video game gameplay isn't canon, only the storyline. How does this affect canon which is dependant upon gameplay, then? If an NPC (say Kyle Katarn in JK:JA) can cast a Force Power, yet doesn't always do so, and isn't required to do so for the storyline to progress, should this Force Power be considered a Canon ability of Kyle's, even if it isn't a Canon part of the storyline?

2. Providing the answer to the first question is yes, what about Canon which derieves from alternate, non-canon storylines? Do objects and abilities existing in a dark side storyline exist even though the storyline itself isn't Canon, provided they are not shown to be a result of that storyline? To further the above example, if Kyle has a Force Power which is only shown in the dark side storyline of JK:JA, is it Canon?
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Posted: Sep 30, 2007 5:25 AM   in response to: Leland Y Chee in response to: Leland Y Chee
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The Fact File states that Padawan Zule Xiss is a Falleen - but this seems rather impossible by her looks. She hasn't any resemblances with either Xizor or other known Falleen.

Mr. Chee has already provided an answer to this question. See http://www.darkhorse.com/boards/viewtopic.php?t=8336&highli ght=&sid=e84aabb5993139202d7a83f662444408 for more information.
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Posted: Sep 30, 2007 1:23 AM   in response to: PiccoloKenobi in response to: PiccoloKenobi
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The Fact File states that Padawan Zule Xiss is a Falleen - but this seems rather impossible by her looks. She hasn't any resemblances with either Xizor or other known Falleen.

In my opinion she looks like a Zeltron. According to her skincolor (red) and the fact that both species are able to produce pheromones it's obvious the authors of the Fact Files made a mistake in describing Zule.+

I may be wrong, but can't Falleen change their skin colour according to mood?
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Sep 30, 2007 1:20 AM   in response to: grobiano in response to: grobiano
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+We tried to encapsulate all the versions of the stealing of the Tydirium without having to subjectively determine which was the "far superior set up." +

I realise that, but how exactly does the mission to Zhar now go? Does Azzameen still ferry the commandos and all, and does the shuttle that they captured just contain the codes, or is it replaced by some untold story of Ace personally stealing the codes?
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Sep 29, 2007 8:26 AM   in response to: Leland Y Chee in response to: Leland Y Chee
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Yet another continuity question
As most of us know, the second season of the Clone Wars miniseries and the novel Labyrinth of Evil are giving us conflicting views on canon. Since I can find many references to LoE in other media, such as the ROTS Visual Dictionary (which states that Kit Fisto fought at Mace's side against General Grievous on Coruscant), and the ROTS novelization (which states that Mace Windu told Obi-Wan Kenobi of facing Grievous in single combat atop a mag-lev train during the general's daring raid to capture Palpatine), and no references to the miniseries, I'd like to say that LoE is the canon one in this case. Your thoughts?
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Sep 29, 2007 8:06 AM   in response to: Leland Y Chee in response to: Leland Y Chee
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Hello Mr. Chee!

The Fact File states that Padawan Zule Xiss is a Falleen - but this seems rather impossible by her looks. She hasn't any resemblances with either Xizor or other known Falleen.

In my opinion she looks like a Zeltron. According to her skincolor (red) and the fact that both species are able to produce pheromones it's obvious the authors of the Fact Files made a mistake in describing Zule.

(Well, they also stated that Darth Bane was old and a deserved member of Kaans Brotherhood...)
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Sep 29, 2007 7:27 AM   in response to: JediKiller BenK... in response to: JediKiller BenK...
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I think so. And since I'm from Germany they are still nearly impossible to buy even at ebay. So I'm looking foreward to the day the Tales will be re-published...
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Sep 29, 2007 1:31 AM   in response to: Leland Y Chee in response to: Leland Y Chee
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some of them are so old I just wasn't sure since the PT's come out and everything if they were still canon, glad to here they still are though. :)
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Posted: Sep 28, 2007 7:59 PM   in response to: JediKiller BenK... in response to: JediKiller BenK...
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The comics you've listed are all canon - and I'm wondering why you are asking? I've never heard that something contradicts the actual canon, but I would be happy if you are able to point out something I've missed.
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Posted: Sep 28, 2007 7:03 PM   in response to: PiccoloKenobi in response to: PiccoloKenobi
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Can you please specify which "tales" you mean? Is it the Tales-comic series or the whole >among of SW-comics?

The ones written in the 90's before the PT the first five were compiled as a knights of the old republic compilation book, the others were The golden age of the sith series, dark lords of the sith series, fall of the sith empire series, the sith war series, and the redemption series which came out after ep 1, (could be some others which I forgot.


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