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jSarek


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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Jan 1, 2007 9:32 PM   in response to: DarthMRN in response to: DarthMRN
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If I have understood things right, the Holocron contains information sorted by entries. These entries constitute Canon, not the individual source, regardless of the source's place in the Canon hierarchy.

From what I understand, not exactly. Individual entries are given an entry in their canon field, but this is largely a convenience for sorting. While just fine for clear-cut cases, the real nuts-and-bolts information on a subject's place in canon are covered by the Continuity Notes field, which takes individual sources into account when needed.
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Jan 1, 2007 4:06 PM   in response to: Sompeetalay in response to: Sompeetalay
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Let's bombard th guy with more before he has had a chance to answer the last batch.

If I have understood things right, the Holocron contains information sorted by entries. These entries constitute Canon, not the individual source, regardless of the source's place in the Canon hierarchy.

Does this mean that if a C-canon source contains a little snippet of canon-contradictory information, this little snippet is simply disregarded from the entry detailing the topic in question?

For example: It has been established that lightsaber creation requires Force-sensitivity. Yet in KotOR, the technological genious Suvam Tan in orbit above Yavin 4 created a lightsaber without showing hint of sensitivity.

Would the Holocron's "Ligthsaber" or "Lightsaber creation" entry simply disregard this, and go with manistream C-canon?
In other words, is the Holocron a bit lax on contradictions?
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Jan 1, 2007 10:28 AM   in response to: Eville_Jedi in response to: Eville_Jedi
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Mr. Chee, another one for you. Who is the 5th character sitting at the table in the Cantina in 'ANH' with Hem Dazon, Bom Vimdin, 'Brainiac' and Arleil Shous? Is that really Trinto Duaba or is it 'Kelbo' / 'Kelnor' from the HS?

Does thus character have an official name and what is his species?
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Dec 31, 2006 10:20 PM   in response to: Leland Y Chee in response to: Leland Y Chee
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nope nothing to do with indiana or illinios or anything, an unfortunate side effect of internet naming 'Evil Jedi' was taken a long time ago and I just stuck to using a few extra letters ever since.
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Dec 31, 2006 11:27 AM   in response to: Nathan P. Butler in response to: Nathan P. Butler
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What's the canon status of toys? For example, some of Hasbro's clone troopers are assigned to unique squads and battalions - are those names canon? And there are also older vehicles that don't appear elsewhere in canon (the Armored Scout Tank for example) and even LEGO has come up with a few new vehicles. Would it be a case of canon unless contradicted somehow elsewhere?
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Dec 30, 2006 11:31 PM   in response to: Eville_Jedi in response to: Eville_Jedi
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Holy crap.

(Okay, uhm, mildly off-topic.)

"Eville_Jedi" . . . Does that happen to be referring to "Eville" as in "Evansville, Indiana?"

: gasp :
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Dec 30, 2006 1:50 PM   in response to: Leland Y Chee in response to: Leland Y Chee
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Does it still make sense to say that an Imperial Star Destroyer has 60 XX-9 guns? The movie model obviously has 8 big turrets and two large quads (same problem with the ISD II). Can we get some real armament figures for these ships (and MC80's)? The databank has no information in the sidebar and the information in the text is inconsistent with the movie models

Why do the following ships, Tartan, assault frig mk II and broadside have very large sizes? Excluding another reference the ships were scaled in the game to be easily viewable not 1:1 scale (petroglyphs website shows an image comparing the broadside to a tie fighter and the ship is way smaller than 500m) just curious where the number came from is all...

the Imperial Sourcebook for the roleplaying game, multiple in universe references say there are 25,000 star destroyers in the imperial fleet, does this mean a mix of Venators, Victories, ISD I/II's and other ships or simply that Palpantine had 25,000 ISD I/II?
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Dec 29, 2006 10:09 PM   in response to: Sompeetalay in response to: Sompeetalay
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1. Who created the G,C,S,N canon hierarchy?

2. Since its initial creation, has the canonical hierarchy ever been updated to include new levels, or to change which parts fits in which category?

3. If the answer to question number 2 is yes, who authorised this change?
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Dec 29, 2006 8:59 AM   in response to: Sompeetalay in response to: Sompeetalay
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Mr. Chee, the character played by Jake Lloyd's sister in TPM, doe she have an official name? She's often called Ellé, but I don't remember ever seeing that name published in an official source.
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Dec 29, 2006 1:58 AM   in response to: General Grievou... in response to: General Grievou...
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Thx Mr. Chee for pointing out these issues. It has once more proven the failure of many to blindly believe everything that is written on certain sites (like Red6).
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Dec 28, 2006 5:43 PM   in response to: ulic_g99 in response to: ulic_g99
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Are there any Hailfire Droids in ROTS?

I think I've spotted one on Mygeeto but I'm not sure.
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Dec 28, 2006 5:33 PM   in response to: Leland Y Chee in response to: Leland Y Chee
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Hi Tasty - sorry, another continuity question.

I'm a little confused about the differences between the two official Star Wars continuities of Films Only and Films + EU; since both continuities are bound by the films, surely they're almost exactly the same with the only difference between them being that one has no extra details outside of the films, and the other does? Since any additional details created in the Film Only universe (like the upcoming Star Wars TV series by George Lucas) automatically carry across into the Films + EU universe as G-canon, does that mean there will never be any actual deviation between the two? What exactly are the differences in each universe's storylines? And what goes in the blank timeline spaces of the Film Only universe - can we never know the history or background of that Star Wars universe like we can in the EU Star Wars universe?

Many thanks!
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Dec 28, 2006 4:01 PM   in response to: Leland Y Chee in response to: Leland Y Chee
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Is the Ewok village we see in "Marooned" (Tales 22) supposed to be Bright Tree Village and are the featured Ewoks the ones we know from RotJ?
That's certainly the intent, though it's not set in stone.

Is "Star Wars: Demoiliton" canon? Especially concerning the appearances of Aurra Sing and Darth Maul.
For the most part, no, but there are certainly elements that are part of continuity. Aurra Sing's true story between the time of her imprisonment on Oovo 4 in the Jedi: Aayla Secura comic and Tempest has yet to be revealed. Darth Maul's appearance in this game and in the Tony Hawk game is non-continuity.

Is the Corporate Alliance Fantail ship that appears in Labyrinth of Evil this ship that's on the Corporate Alliance's Behind the Scenes Page in the Databank?
Yes.

Are they Holonet News articles dated off a 12 month calander or the old 10 month calander?
12-month, though the absence of articles in the 11th and 12th months was, I think, a conscious decision, possibly coupled with an unintentional mistake.

TT do you have a better picture of the Holwuff
No.

Is the Liquidator that features heavily in Star Wars Missions the same Star Destroyer mentioned in Hero's Trial?
Yes.

is there some kind of entry on the background character played by Nathan Hamill
I'll add it as an unnamed character. If a name hasn't gone to Lucasfilm for approval, it's not official.

Is the Aleenan Senator Bogg Tyrell the widow of Ratts Tyerell
They're unrelated. Unused text for the Attack of the Clones Movie Scrapbook had intended to point out this fact.

is it at all possible that Brianna's adventures with her could still be canon?
Maybe.

Could you please either confirm or deny that either this is Bane or. if not, do they have a name?
Not yet named.

what, if anything, is your opinion on the solid-state hologram Maul from Phantom Menaces in Tales 17?
Non-continuity.

This guy is often identified as Ariq Joanson, a character from "Tales of the Mos Eisley Cantina"
The Holocron does not have visual reference for Ariq.
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Dec 28, 2006 3:44 PM   in response to: JohnTheRevelator in response to: JohnTheRevelator
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Is the Aleenan Senator Bogg Tyrell the widow of Ratts Tyerell and the mother of their three children Djulla, Doby and Deland? Or is there no connection between Bogg and Ratts and "Mrs. Tyerell" from the Episode I cut-scenes has not yet received a canonical name?

I don't want to butt in too much but here's one answer from http://starwars.com/qa :

Q. Are Sebulba, Ark "Bumpy" Roose, and Ratts Tyerell in the diner or the Coruscant chase scene in Episode II? In my Episode II Visual Dictionary, you can clearly see their faces.

A. Those aren't the Podracers you see in Episode II, though their computer-generated models were used as a basis for a handful of new characters. During the speeder chase, we see Obi-Wan nearly crash into an Aleena and a Dug. That's not Sebulba, but rather a Dug named Seboca. The Aleena is Bogg Tyrell (apparently no relation to Ratts since the surname is spelled differently). She is also seen in the diner, along with two Dugs named Rednax and Manoca, and a Nuknog named Slyther Bushforb. Outside the diner, there's an alien (it uses Podracer Ebe Endocott's body type) named Ony Bobbisia.
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Dec 28, 2006 2:44 PM   in response to: Sompeetalay in response to: Sompeetalay
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The same goes for Bogg Tyrell (John, you must have kept an eye on my activities today :p). I don't know of any official source that has stipulated that the wife of Ratts Tyerell is in fact Bogg Tyrell, the Aleena Senator who appears twice in 'AotC'.

It's a wise decision to ask Mr. Chee about these 'troublemakers'.
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Dec 28, 2006 2:32 PM   in response to: JohnTheRevelator in response to: JohnTheRevelator
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No official source has ever indicated that this guy is really Joanson. If it would be, I would certainly like to know what source that is. I'd be surprised about it.

http://i23.ebayimg.com /01/i/08/2d/6a/69_1_sbl.JPG

This is one of these fanon things that started on the infamous 'Red6' website and some other sites have copied that blindly without doing any further research. Even more sites have copied blindly what was copied blindly before, etc ...
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Dec 28, 2006 12:37 PM   in response to: Leland Y Chee in response to: Leland Y Chee
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Hi Tasty!

another question about an (possibly) unnamed character:

This guy is often identified as Ariq Joanson, a character from "Tales of the Mos Eisley Cantina", on many webpages. Since Joanson was present in the cantina when Luke and Obi-Wan met Han Solo it's a logical assumption, I believe. Most of the other cantina patrons were already named by the CCG, but the identity of this guy is somehow still disputed. So, what do you say? Is this Ariq Joanson or not?

Thank you.
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Dec 28, 2006 10:39 AM   in response to: Leland Y Chee in response to: Leland Y Chee
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Thanks for the previous reply, but next, I have another 3 questions. First of all, though the Jedi Exile is canonically female, is it at all possible that Brianna's adventures with her could still be canon? Although she only joins the party if you're male, I can't really see any conflict if that was only game mechanics and in fact both the Disciple and the Handmaiden joined the party.

Also, in the Tales 17 story, All for You, there is a Dark Jedi. Many fans have speculated that this is Darth Bane. Could you please either confirm or deny that either this is Bane or. if not, do they have a name?

And finally what, if anything, is your opinion on the solid-state hologram Maul from Phantom Menaces in Tales 17? You've said before that only the silly stories should definitely be non-canon, whereas some of the others (I believe) could be considered S-canon. While I don't find this story silly myself, some others do so I'm curious if it's canon, possibly canon, or completely non-canon?
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Dec 28, 2006 8:22 AM   in response to: Leland Y Chee in response to: Leland Y Chee
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Hi Tasty!

Is the Aleenan Senator Bogg Tyrell the widow of Ratts Tyerell and the mother of their three children Djulla, Doby and Deland? Or is there no connection between Bogg and Ratts and "Mrs. Tyerell" from the Episode I cut-scenes has not yet received a canonical name? It's a little bit confusing with these two names that are almost written the same.

I really hope they`re one and the same person. I just don't like all these unnamed characters...;)
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Dec 28, 2006 5:58 AM   in response to: Leland Y Chee in response to: Leland Y Chee
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Leland, is there some kind of entry on the background character played by Nathan Hamill in Episode I? I'm not even sure if he's actually visible, but he's been given the unofficial name "Rehtul Minnau" by Hamill. I'm sure it's completely unofficial. I'm just curious since the character appears HERE on the Wookieepedia.

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