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Nathan P. Butler


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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Jul 27, 2010 3:16 PM   in response to: Acebat Returns in response to: Acebat Returns
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Acebat Returns wrote:
What makes 1,020 BBY a reasonable landmark for the Darth Bane novels?

Im no expert on continuity like Nathan here, but 1020 BBY is when the Drth Bane novels started, right? When he was just Dessel and working the mines of Apatros.


Nope, the prologue of Path of Destruction is set 1,006 BBY. Bane was born 1,026 BBY, so it's not based on his birthdate, and he doesn't start working in the mines until 1,013 BBY, so it's not that either.

Like I said, it's just a landmark. It might have made more sense to use 1,010 BBY instead of 1,020 BBY, though.
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Posted: Jul 27, 2010 1:06 PM   in response to: Leland Y Chee in response to: Leland Y Chee
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Tantos from the The Ghostling Children and Tantos Dree from the WEG corebook are the same person?
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Posted: Jul 26, 2010 12:08 PM   in response to: Sky74 in response to: Sky74
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What makes 1,020 BBY a reasonable landmark for the Darth Bane novels?

Im no expert on continuity like Nathan here, but 1020 BBY is when the Drth Bane novels started, right? When he was just Dessel and working the mines of Apatros.
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Posted: Jul 26, 2010 5:34 AM   in response to: Nathan P. Butler in response to: Nathan P. Butler
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Nathan P. Butler wrote:
Well, 1,020 BBY is just a landmark, just like 3,650 BBY is a landmark right before Fatal Alliance. That by no means indicates that the novels take place in that year, any more than seeing 19 BBY as the most recent landmark before TFU means TFU took place in 19 BBY.

I got your point, Nathan, but still... The 19 BBY landmark in the timeline is set by Episode III, and this movie is really placed at 19 BBY. It makes sense that way. That they decided not to give any detailed years for the following books up to year 0 is probably a matter of available space or whatever.

So, my question is: What makes 1,020 BBY a reasonable landmark for the Darth Bane novels? Is it really that one of the shorter flashbacks lasts back to this year? And while we're at it: Why was 3,650 BBY chosen for Fatal Alliance ? It's the only book in this timeframe right now and if it doesn't start exactly at 3,650 BBY, why don't they give us the real date? Or is part of the story taking place in 3,650 (haven't read it yet)? If not, I think this placement in the timeline is quite confusing, too.

And like I said, what strikes me most: Why ist the Old Republic era now lasting till 33 BBY in the new novels' timeline? That wasn't the case in any other publications so far and Dark Horse still states that this era ends 1,000 BBY in their new The Old Republic comics.

Edited by: Sky74 on Jul 26, 2010 2:38 PM

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Posted: Jul 25, 2010 10:26 AM   in response to: Sky74 in response to: Sky74
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Sky74 wrote:
Thanks for your reply, Nathan. It totally agree with you, and the dates you gave meet my take on this, too. But I still wonder why exactly 1020 BBY was chosen for the timeline in the novels nonetheless. Any word from Leland on this matter would be very much appreciated. Was it just that all three Bane novels could be published under the Old Republic logo, an era that ends with 1000 BBY? And why does it say now that the Old Republic era lasts till 33 BBY in the new books instead of 1000 BBY?

Well, 1,020 BBY is just a landmark, just like 3,650 BBY is a landmark right before Fatal Alliance. That by no means indicates that the novels take place in that year, any more than seeing 19 BBY as the most recent landmark before TFU means TFU took place in 19 BBY.
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Posted: Jul 25, 2010 5:11 AM   in response to: Nathan P. Butler in response to: Nathan P. Butler
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Thanks for your reply, Nathan. It totally agree with you, and the dates you gave meet my take on this, too. But I still wonder why exactly 1020 BBY was chosen for the timeline in the novels nonetheless. Any word from Leland on this matter would be very much appreciated. Was it just that all three Bane novels could be published under the Old Republic logo, an era that ends with 1000 BBY? And why does it say now that the Old Republic era lasts till 33 BBY in the new books instead of 1000 BBY?
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Jul 20, 2010 8:44 PM   in response to: Le Passant in response to: Le Passant
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Le Passant wrote:
Do the Kowakian monkey-lizard (Pikk) mentionned in the decoded version of Dooku captured in reality is Picaroon C. Boodle (alias Pic), the Dark Jedi ?

What a coincidence, two Kowakian monkey-lizard with a similar name...


The Kowakian monkey-lizards working for Hondo Ohnaka are Pikk and Pilf Mukmuk. The Clone Wars Character Encyclopedia has somewhat cleared this up. Sounds totally unrelated to me.
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Posted: Jul 20, 2010 8:41 PM   in response to: Sky74 in response to: Sky74
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Sky74 wrote:
I asked it in the BCaT VIP thread before but Sue directed me here. So, any help here would be fine ... and very much appreciated. :)

1. Why are the Darth Bane novels placed at 1020 BBY in the Del Rey book's timeline? As I take it most of the first novel should take place 1000 BBY and the parts happening earlier can't take place 20 (!) years before that, can they? Do you have more precise placements for the three novels in the Holocron?


I can partially answer this one. The prologue of Path of Destruction is in 1,006 BBY, then Chapters 1 - 5 are in 1,003 BBY, Chapters 6 - 12 and part of 13 are in 1,002 BBY, the rest of Chapter 13 and Chapters 14 - 20 are in 1,001 BBY, then the rest of the novel is in 1,000 BBY.

Rule of Two picks up in 1,000 BBY with Chapters 1 - 9 or so, including some flashbacks to during Path of Destruction. You then have flashbacks to 999 BBY, 998 BBY, 996 BBY, Once you hit Chapter 10, the rest is in 990 BBY.

Dynasty of Evil picks up later with its entirety in 980 BBY.

My guess is that there are enough flashbacks within Path of Destruction to have the nearest number they chose to use be 1,020 BBY.

Remember, though, that the timelines in the novels are not broken down by year in a way that would say that anything under a specific number and divider line is in the year with that number. Those numbered barriers on the novel timeline are landmarks, so to speak. They are handy reference landmarks, so that if you look at ROTS, you'll then find a 19 BBY marker, then everything up to right before ANH are all in a section between that marker and the next. That doesn't mean everything in that group is in 19 BBY, just that 19 BBY was the most recent landmark given.
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Jul 16, 2010 1:53 PM   in response to: Leland Y Chee in response to: Leland Y Chee
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Hey Mr. Chee, I was wondering if this Imperial officer will ever be identified. Thanks!
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Posted: Jun 14, 2010 11:15 PM   in response to: Leland Y Chee in response to: Leland Y Chee
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I'm currently trying to expand an article Rorworr of Naboo on Wookieepedia, and I had a few questions.

1) Fact File 91 (TRA 17, 18) mentions the character, "Dane," in all of the image captions. I believe the author has confused Dané and Sia-Lan Wezz. Could you possibly clarify the information in the Fact File?

2) Several sources mention the Naboo Underground (Invasion of Theed Adventure Game, ) and the Naboo Resistance (Secrets of Naboo sourcebook). Both sources mention leadership figures, but none use exclusive terms (like, "The" leader). Is it safe to assume that both are just different names for the same organization, (possibly including Naboo freedom fighter groups mentioned in other sources, such as Galactic Battlegrounds/Battle for Naboo)?

3) Do you have any information or rulings on the Battle of Skorrupon? Specifically, I'm looking for a date (simultaneous with Doom Mission?), but any rulings or holocron-only information would be lovely.
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Posted: May 8, 2010 5:47 AM   in response to: Leland Y Chee in response to: Leland Y Chee
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Mr Chee:
In the holocron database, is there any information about the Saxton/Luceno-created warships namedropped in AOTC: Incredible Cross-Sections, ROTS: Incredible Cross-Sections and Inside the Worlds of the Star Wars Trilogy? I'm thinking specifically of the Mandator and Mandator II, the Procurator and the Praetor. The books themselves are very brief in mentioning them and I was wondering if notes or other information left behind has been added to the Holocron that wasn't in the books. If so, can you relay this info, for them or other DK ship classes? (Allegiences, ship stats etc.)

Thanks in advance! :)
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Posted: May 6, 2010 2:14 PM   in response to: Rancor_Orga in response to: Rancor_Orga
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Yes, I know...but eyh, Jan Strange, Jan Ors... :p
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Posted: May 6, 2010 12:03 PM   in response to: Le Passant in response to: Le Passant
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Do the Kowakian monkey-lizard (Pikk) mentionned in
the decoded version of Dooku captured in reality is
Picaroon C. Boodle (alias Pic), the Dark Jedi ?

What a coincidence, two Kowakian monkey-lizard with a
similar name...


Yes, similar, but not the same.
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Posted: May 1, 2010 2:19 PM   in response to: WFern980 in response to: WFern980
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Do the Kowakian monkey-lizard (Pikk) mentionned in the decoded version of Dooku captured in reality is Picaroon C. Boodle (alias Pic), the Dark Jedi ?

What a coincidence, two Kowakian monkey-lizard with a similar name...
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Posted: Apr 26, 2010 10:59 AM   in response to: WFern980 in response to: WFern980
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Yikes. The above post was in reference to Luke/Obi-Wan fighting Vader in Splinter of the Mind's Eye.
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Posted: Apr 26, 2010 10:56 AM   in response to: Valiento in response to: Valiento
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I don't think he even defeated him, did he? He knocked him in a hole and essentially ran away.
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Posted: Apr 22, 2010 5:45 AM   in response to: Hedec Ga in response to: Hedec Ga
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Hello Mr Chee,

Are the articles from the old french magazine Casus Belli canonical or not ?
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Posted: Apr 5, 2010 10:29 AM   in response to: Sky74 in response to: Sky74
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New Seth Green SW cartoon. Canonical or no?

Personally, if it were just chronicling the "down time" in between saving the galaxy (or what side characters or "normal" people were doing during those Big Events), I'd LOVE to see something like that be canon. But...if it's just spoofing--a la Robot Chicken style...hm... Yeah. No.
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Posted: Mar 15, 2010 1:50 PM   in response to: Leland Y Chee in response to: Leland Y Chee
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I asked it in the BCaT VIP thread before but Sue directed me here. So, any help here would be fine ... and very much appreciated. :)

1. Why are the Darth Bane novels placed at 1020 BBY in the Del Rey book's timeline? As I take it most of the first novel should take place 1000 BBY and the parts happening earlier can't take place 20 (!) years before that, can they? Do you have more precise placements for the three novels in the Holocron?

2. Regarding the new timeline in the Backlash hardcover, does the Rise of the Empire era officially start at 33 BBY now instead of 1000 BBY, so that (almost) everything before Episode I is considered Old Republic era? I don't think this was the case in previous publications.

Thanks.
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Mar 3, 2010 1:13 PM   in response to: DarthMRN in response to: DarthMRN
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Mr Leland,

I just got the first tome of Invasion (french edition), and I see some Jedi with Luke, Finn and Le'Ung in the Bulwark en route to Rychel. Notably, a Rodian. Could it be a known Rodian Jedi character ? Jovan Drark, Toile Senn, Kelbis Nu ?

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