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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Feb 20, 2010 2:32 PM   in response to: Mira Lodo in response to: Mira Lodo
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There aren't any stories (at least that I know of) that reference "Dark Jedi." There are, however, two works that reference it. The Essential Atlas, which includes almost everything, includes the planet Dica, upon which the main events of "Dark Jedi" take place. More interesting, however, is Abel Pena's "The Story of General Grievous: Lord of War," which says that Grievous got a double-bladed lightsaber on either Necropolis or Dica. "Dark Jedi" focuses on Grievous trying to recover his collection of Sith lightsabers from two dark Jedi on Dica who stole them from him, so Pena appears to be referencing more than just the planet (although none of the lightsabers in that story were double-bladed and Grievous didn't kill either of the dark Jedi).
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Feb 20, 2010 2:16 PM   in response to: lukevanhorn in response to: lukevanhorn
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  • "Dark Jedi" is
somewhere in-between, but it's also been referenced.
Again, it seems like these stories have been treated
d more like they're S than N.*

Luke,

For timeline's sake, what story references "Dark Jedi"?

Also, thank you for those links you sent me a while back. I have not had a chance to look into the additions yet, but I always appreciate input.
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Feb 20, 2010 7:44 AM   in response to: cjeddie2003 in response to: cjeddie2003
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The length for the Tartan should be 250 meters long based on a scale chart used by the Empire at War team. We'll see about changing the databank.
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Feb 16, 2010 7:57 PM   in response to: Leland Y Chee in response to: Leland Y Chee
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Hello,

The Tartan Patrol Cruiser is stated as 600m long on the StarWars.com Databank, but is contradicted by canon and common sense, (MOST LIKELY: 140-170M)

The ship has 20 light lasers, yet in the Force Unleashed Campaign Guide has 2 point-defence laser batteries consisting of 5 gunners per battery (so 10 gunners). If the turrets are duel mounted then indeed 20 lasers fair enough,

The ship has 120 max capacity of crew/passengers, 1000T capacity etc.

This is reminiscent of the CR-90 sized class vessels. The ship was also introduced in the Empires at War game to be an opposing force to the CR-90 and so be a similar size.

Also in the description in Force Unleashed Campaign Guide its is stated to be smaller than a Nebulon-B Frigate (gets knackered by them), and to complement Carracks, which usually means half a Carrack's size which would be about 175m.

Is there some other reason for the size discrepancy or a corrected size confirmed? (possibly via e-mail)
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Feb 8, 2010 2:45 AM   in response to: ulic_g99 in response to: ulic_g99
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Mr. Chee,

In which year does the end of Elite Squadron takes place ? Since Luke is "General", it's probably after 5 ABY (Battle of Mindor is in 5.1 ABY, so Jedi Knight in 5.0 ABY).
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Jan 23, 2010 10:26 AM   in response to: Jedi Kasra in response to: Jedi Kasra
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Ha - I saw that letter in KotOR 47# and immediately thought of you, Kasra! ;)

To add to Kasra's question, Mr Chee; does the answer to his question regarding the canonicity of the Revan action figure's appearance also still apply to the Star Wars Miniatures figure of the Jedi Exile from KotOR II?
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Jan 23, 2010 9:47 AM   in response to: Leland Y Chee in response to: Leland Y Chee
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Hello again Mr. Chee. A few months ago I asked a question regarding whether or not Revan's action figure--which depicted him having light skin on his head and ears--was canonical. You replied that it was one possible version of Revan. I had also sent a letter to Dark Horse (I didn't know they'd print the letter) which was published in +KotOR #47 asking a question similar to the one I asked you. Freddye Lins said that the figure was canonical.

So I'm asking you to clear things up, is Revan's figure still, as you said, a possible version of him, or has Revan's skin color been canonized? I personally hope that his physical appearance remain a mystery... Thanks for you time, Mr. Chee
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Jan 14, 2010 11:40 AM   in response to: eddie in response to: eddie
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I realize that, Eddie. The problem is that Leland apparently didn't agree with it, and I'm skeptical that Tokyopop knew what the infinities label meant, since they tagged the fold-out posters, too. Additionally, there are era tags instead of infinities on the cover. So, I'm inclined to go with Leland on this one and say they're fuzzy, which sounds like S to me.
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Posted: Jan 14, 2010 12:15 AM   in response to: Leland Y Chee in response to: Leland Y Chee
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If you guys look at the contents-page of each books (Japanese original Mangas, as well as the Silver and Black editions released in the UK), you see the Infinities-logo before each story...
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Jan 13, 2010 11:13 PM   in response to: lukevanhorn in response to: lukevanhorn
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Another instance of discrepancy between Leland and Dark Horse. And Leland wins out, presumably.

Not that it matters to me personally. Infinites or slightly above Infinites makes no difference to me. It is worse for the casual fan, who embraces the Wook, which apparently has a strict policy that anything not absolutely 100% Infinites is the equivalent of C-canon. Making that small distinction that much more important.

And while I'm venting, I would like to complain about statements such as "fuzzy". What is up with that? Licensing has a continuity tracking system flexible as sin, and yet ambiguities like "fuzzy" manages to sneak its way in, indicating some level between Infinites and S. Makes me wonder if Leland is just trying to translate technical Holocron terminology into plain english for forum posters who cannot be expected to know everything he's said on the issue. In which case, an elevation to S seems to be the most likely interpretation.
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Jan 12, 2010 8:05 PM   in response to: darthmilo77 in response to: darthmilo77
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Well, again, if they're "definitely infinities," why didn't Leland say so instead of giving his "fuzzy" answer? Given that the publisher apparently doesn't know what infinities means (else why label the fold out posters), this should be taken with a grain of salt. Besides, it's just false that all of these stories don't fit into the continuity. Some, like "Perfect Evil," have problems, but "Evil Eye" and "Dear Anakin" fit just fine. "Dark Jedi" is somewhere in-between, but it's also been referenced. Again, it seems like these stories have been treated more like they're S than N.
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Jan 12, 2010 7:20 PM   in response to: lukevanhorn in response to: lukevanhorn
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My mistake, not on the cover, but from the publishers' summary:

"This month, Tokyopop will release a Star Wars Manga anthology filled with uniquely bold tales set in a peculiarly Japanese incarnation of that galaxy far, far away... For their daring plots and offbeat directions, *these stories are definitely "Infinities"*-that is, they don't actually fit into Star Wars continuity. Nonetheless, they are rich in character, detail and action and are definitely worth a look. This anthology, which is a mix of black and white comics with a few color spreads of original illustrations, will only be available initially in Japan."
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Posted: Jan 12, 2010 6:30 PM   in response to: lukevanhorn in response to: lukevanhorn
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I think there was also some thing he mentioned in an older post about how even if they referenced the Tarquinas somewhere, that wouldn't make the Infinities version of ANH canon.

I never said otherwise. If someone were to reference the Tarquinas, then that element would be canon, not the whole story. Similarly, we know that at least Shumari is C-canon, since it's in the Essential Atlas, even if the rest of "Perfect Evil" is N-canon. But I'm not convinced that the rest is N-canon. So far, these stories seem to be in a sort of canon limbo, which sounds sort of like S-canon to me. Note also that Abel referenced Dica from "Dark Jedi" in the context of Grievous getting a lightsaber from a dark Jedi. The reference isn't exactly like the manga story, but it's similar (perhaps Grievous finds either Kaa or Lii on Dica after the end of the comic), so it sounds like it's more than just the planet that is in continuity.
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Jan 12, 2010 6:29 PM   in response to: darthmilo77 in response to: darthmilo77
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That and the fact that it actually says they're "definitely 'Infinities'" verbatim on the cover.

Where? I'm looking right at the cover of my copy of Star Wars Manga Black and I don't see the word "infinities" or the infinities symbol anywhere (but I do see the rise of the empire and galactic civil war symbols).
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Posted: Jan 12, 2010 3:09 PM   in response to: lukevanhorn in response to: lukevanhorn
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The reason for labeling them so is that when they were reprinted in the UK, they came with the infinities tag.

That and the fact that it actually says they're "definitely 'Infinities'" verbatim on the cover. I think there was also some thing he mentioned in an older post about how even if they referenced the Tarquinas somewhere, that wouldn't make the Infinities version of ANH canon.
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Jan 12, 2010 1:52 PM   in response to: lukevanhorn in response to: lukevanhorn
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On the other hand, Leland has been asked more than once about the canon status of these stories and all he's said is that it's "fuzzy." Furthermore, elements from "Dark Jedi" and "Perfect Evil" have both been referenced elsewhere (the planets Dica and Shumari are both in the Essential Atlas, which doesn't count for much, since it references N-canon sources, too, but Dica is also in one of Abel Pena's articles). Abel also said that he was going to reference Tao from "Perfect Evil" in his Vader's Legacy article. Finally, at least some of the stories (e.g., "Evil Eye" and "Dear Anakin") could fit into the continuity without any problem at all. So, I'm skeptical that the wook page is correct.

Edit: I forgot to add that while the stories have the infinities tag, the back covers still use the different era symbols instead of infinities, so once again, I think there's reason to hold the N-canon status of these stories in some doubt.
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Jan 12, 2010 1:52 PM   in response to: DarthMRN in response to: DarthMRN
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Yeah, I've seen that wook page, but I think there's reason to not be so quick to label all the stories (or at least all the elements of the stories) N-canon. The reason for labeling them so is that when they were reprinted in the UK, they came with the infinities tag. However, I'm not so sure that we should take that at face value, as whoever applied them apparently didn't know what they meant (which is why the fold-out posters also have the infinity tag, which doesn't make any sense).
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Posted: Jan 12, 2010 9:43 AM   in response to: lukevanhorn in response to: lukevanhorn
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Posted: Jan 12, 2010 9:23 AM   in response to: DarthMRN in response to: DarthMRN
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And to add to what Milo said about Battlefront, there exists other material strongly implied to be S as well, these too released after the Holocron.

A good example might be the Tokyopop manga stories. Leland said in this thread that their canon status is "fuzzy," which sounds like S to me.
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Posted: Jan 12, 2010 6:51 AM   in response to: DarthMRN in response to: DarthMRN
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I see what you mean, but really, we're just using different names for the same scenario here. Whether it's C or S, the same material would potentially be removed from continuity, and just sliding it "down the line" to S to be removed doesn't lessen the possibility of other C-canon material being removed this way in the future.

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