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Dylax


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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Dec 6, 2009 2:28 PM   in response to: darthmilo77 in response to: darthmilo77
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*I think most of them were retconned. There is a retcon for why post-prequel Jedi have all kinds of colors, but to my knowledge there's no official statement on the whole topic. The only non-AOTC color that I'm aware of that was officially addressed was Mace Windu's lightsaber, the explanation being that he was borrowing someone else's blue lightsaber for a while.
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Ah ok. Its just something I noticed while flipping through my old comics. I think I do remember something about Mace's lightsaber trade now that you mention it.
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Dec 6, 2009 10:33 AM   in response to: Dylax in response to: Dylax
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In most Prequel era EU released prior to ATOC Jedi are depicted wielding a rainbow of lightsaber colors.

I think most of them were retconned. There is a retcon for why +post+-prequel Jedi have all kinds of colors, but to my knowledge there's no official statement on the whole topic. The only non-AOTC color that I'm aware of that was officially addressed was Mace Windu's lightsaber, the explanation being that he was borrowing someone else's blue lightsaber for a while.
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Dec 6, 2009 10:02 AM   in response to: Dylax in response to: Dylax
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In the Clone Wars Season 1 Guide, the TCW film has Yularen's ship listed as the Resolute.

Previously, it was noted as the Spirit of Republic in the TCW novelization, and it was suggested that the Resolute replaced the Spirit of Republic when it became one of three ships under Anakin between the film and the events of Wild Space (and thus Downfall of a Droid).

I asked Jason Fry, and he said that no one had ever made him aware of the "Spirit of Republic," when writing, hence it being noted as the "Resolute."

Interestingly, the TCW Lightsaber Duels video game also, I believe, names the ship the Resolute in the TCW era, even when it shouldn't, for the training level duel between Anakin and Ahsoka in the hangar bay.

So, my question: Is the Venator that Yularen commands in the TCW film the Spirit of Republic or the Resolute?
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Dec 6, 2009 9:40 AM   in response to: DarthMRN in response to: DarthMRN
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I'm not sure if I've ever seen this addressed before.

In most Prequel era EU released prior to ATOC Jedi are depicted wielding a rainbow of lightsaber colors. For example Plo Koon is shown to have a a Yellow blade while A'Shared Hett wields two Crimson ones. Of course following ATOC all these Jedi were shown to have only Blue or Green blades. Have their pre-ATOC blades been retconned into being Blue or Green or did they all just switch to Blue or green. I think the latter would be rather silly but like I said I don't know if its ever been addressed.
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Dec 4, 2009 7:48 AM   in response to: Rainbow Droideka in response to: Rainbow Droideka
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Question, Leland:

Since such facts as dates and such get changed so much, that must either mean the Holocron automatically treats the entire source or entry of an erroneous date as non-continuity, OR that individual facts can be demoted to non-continuity independent of their entry or source. Presumably the latter is the case.

But if so, does the Holocron track the canon level of individual facts too? Can you elaborate on how this then fits into the whole?
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Dec 3, 2009 1:49 PM   in response to: darthmilo77 in response to: darthmilo77
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Well, they've always established that solid, slow-moving things can pass through almost any shield. The B1 Battle Droids marched through the Gungan shields. Anakin and Ahsoka snuck through Loathsom's shield in TCW.

I assumed that was what they had in mind. It was actually in Landing at Point Rain, by the way (just watched it a few hours ago).
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Dec 3, 2009 9:15 AM   in response to: DarthMRN in response to: DarthMRN
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The KotOR shields were a recent invention, however, so it is entirely possible that following the Jedi Civil War and Dark Wars, veterans began showing negative side-effects, and personal shielding fell out of use.

That's a good explanation. It could also be that the shields just weren't very effective overall, or worked in a different way than later shields. Maybe The Old Republic will shed some light on it, like in the Imperial Agent backstory or something.

You can also use a personal shield in Renegade Squadron and Elite Squadron, though this may be game mechanics. It should be noted though that those shields slow you down a lot. It could be that Kyle's somehow bypasses problems present in other shields of the same type, and he passes it, the only model of this type, on to Jaden Korr or something.
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Dec 3, 2009 8:51 AM   in response to: darthmilo77 in response to: darthmilo77
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Heh...now you're using game mechanics as an answer to canonical material? Full circle...

lol yeaaaaaaaaa. But to be fair, the logic behind that game mechanic was fair. Droidekas don't have much of a dedicated head and skull, just a small array of their sensory units in the front there. Shooting it in the head might blind it, but I think the actual CPU is elsewhere. Though to be fair I don't own any of the visual dictionaries.

And yes, I do see the flaw in my logic about the canonicity of game mechanics :)
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Dec 3, 2009 7:51 AM   in response to: darthmilo77 in response to: darthmilo77
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Putting my money on ray vs particle shielding on the physical penetration. KotOR I and II have too many organic grunts with shields for Kyle's to have been a prototype. The KotOR shields were a recent invention, however, so it is entirely possible that following the Jedi Civil War and Dark Wars, veterans began showing negative side-effects, and personal shielding fell out of use.

On the other hand, if that were the case, Imperial Agents from TOR would not be employing personal shield walls no more than a few centuries later. So all I'm really left with is shield strength being the determining factor...or the users simply thinking passive shield radiation is a worthwhile trade for blaster bolts in the face.
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Dec 3, 2009 6:57 AM   in response to: mason_1701 in response to: mason_1701
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Heh...now you're using game mechanics as an answer to canonical material? Full circle... :p

But yeah, his armor could have protected him from the radiation. They've also established that some shields can't be passed through (like in RotS when they get trapped by ray shields) so that could have something to do with Kyle's shield.
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Dec 3, 2009 5:53 AM   in response to: darthmilo77 in response to: darthmilo77
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Jossed by Weapons Factory. A clone trooper (Rex, I believe) reaches through a Droideka shield and shoots it at point blank.

Well, they've always established that solid, slow-moving things can pass through almost any shield. The B1 Battle Droids marched through the Gungan shields. Anakin and Ahsoka snuck through Loathsom's shield in TCW.

Though what miffed me about that scene in Weapons Factory was that Battlefront II explicity established that head shots do not work on a Droideka.
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Dec 2, 2009 11:28 PM   in response to: Leland Y Chee in response to: Leland Y Chee
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Is there any information about X-Wing vs TIE Fighter such as the canonical outcome of missions or the fate of the SSD Vengeance and Shipyard Calenz
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Dec 2, 2009 5:21 PM   in response to: DarthMRN in response to: DarthMRN
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Bothered me how GFFA citizens had to suffer through holotheather showings of such abysmal quality.

I'm guessing it was something like the time when color TVs were available but expensive, and most people had black and white.

At least I can retcon it in my mind as being a matter of shield strength, seeing as Jedi don't try to penetrate Droideka shields at all, while the video game shields usually can be overcome with a few good saber hits.

Jossed by Weapons Factory. A clone trooper (Rex, I believe) reaches through a Droideka shield and shoots it at point blank. My guess is it's either another type of shield (ray vs. deflector), a very rare prototype (which explains why every random soldier ever doesn't have one, but not why there are so many sitting around all over the place) or they are radioactive after all and Kyle Katarn isn't likely to have any kids. Yeeah...
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Dec 2, 2009 12:15 PM   in response to: DarthMRN in response to: DarthMRN
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Also, Kyle Katarn's shield is canon.

Which bugs the heck out of me. The Episode 2 Visual Dictionary explains the lack of organics using personal deflector shields while Droidekas do, as a matter of extreme radiation hazards. At least I can retcon it in my mind as being a matter of shield strength, seeing as Jedi don't try to penetrate Droideka shields at all, while the video game shields usually can be overcome with a few good saber hits.
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Dec 2, 2009 12:14 PM   in response to: mason_1701 in response to: mason_1701
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*What level of canon or decipher customizable card game? *

+ "...continuity "C" canon which is pretty much everything else. " By everything else I mean EVERYthing else. Novels, comics, junior novels, videogames,trading card games, roleplaying games, toys, websites, television.+

http://forums.starwars.com/thread.jspa?forumID=24&start=15&threadI D=152583&msRange=15

...if released after 2000, that is. Before that is beyond my ken.

Plus the fact that color doesn't translate well into holograms in Star Wars, and the images we see are full color and some quite artistic.

That was before the time of PROXY. Which I'm kinda glad of, actually. Bothered me how GFFA citizens had to suffer through holotheather showings of such abysmal quality. Must have given them a headache. Of course, the poor quality could be a good reason for the use of two-dimensional viewscreens on the side...
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Dec 1, 2009 9:43 AM   in response to: darthmilo77 in response to: darthmilo77
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A think quite a bit of the CCG info was original. If you look at, for example, the original Star Wars Encyclopedia by Steve Sansweet, there are tons of source citations for the CCG. Mostly for very minor background characters and stuff, but there's a lot of them.
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Nov 30, 2009 6:50 AM   in response to: mason_1701 in response to: mason_1701
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What he means is probably the flavor text on most cards giving a background to the character, item, or etc. is C-canon.I think most of it is derived from RPG materials, but some of it may be new.

Also, Kyle Katarn's shield is canon. As for his weapons...
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Nov 30, 2009 5:42 AM   in response to: Darrth Morrt in response to: Darrth Morrt
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Baas's holocron showed pictures in Dark Empire 7. The illustration could be IU pictures (not holophotos).

While holocrons can show other images (the holocrons in Tales of the Jedi can show complex imagery, almost like a motion-comic). However, some of the images in Jedi vs. Sith resemble photos, while others resemble paintings or artwork. Few to none of them are consistent with the images we see in holocrons. Plus the fact that color doesn't translate well into holograms in Star Wars, and the images we see are full color and some quite artistic.

I think the Decipher's CCGs are C-canon, as nearly every other non-film and non-television sources.

The pictures are C-canon, I believe. The statistics are a game mechanic and so are N-canon. Just like video games (e.g. Kyle Katarn blew up the Arc Hammer; he did not do it with 10 weapons on his back, a personal shield, and enough stamina to get shot multiple times).
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Nov 29, 2009 12:46 AM   in response to: darthmilo77 in response to: darthmilo77
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Baas's holocron showed pictures in Dark Empire 7. The illustration could be IU pictures (not holophotos).

I think the Decipher's CCGs are C-canon, as nearly every other non-film and non-television sources.
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Nov 28, 2009 10:29 PM   in response to: Leland Y Chee in response to: Leland Y Chee
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I apologize if this has been asked before. What level of canon or decipher customizable card game?

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