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darthmilo77


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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Sep 25, 2009 8:20 PM   in response to: Nathan P. Butler in response to: Nathan P. Butler
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So...you're saying that most of the galaxy uses the ReSynch calendar for their day-to-day business, while historians tend to use BBY/ABY, and it's less a specific year in this context than it is establishing a timeframe? If so, that would make sense. It would still be a lot more convenient for everyone if 2 ABY and 37 were names for the same span of time though.

Hold on, new edit here...

If you were thinking in terms of BBY/ABY, then the month from the Battle of Yavin until that same day the next month, would be Month 1.

Right, but the year 2 ABY, for instance, wouldn't necessarily have to be from the same month. Our calendar is ostensibly based on the year of Jesus' birth, but not the birthdate. So it's not unreasonable for people to get the two confused.

I guess I'll start a Consensus Track on Wookieepedia then. So you're saying that all references such as 19.5 BBY or etc. take place in month 9 or etc.?
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Sep 25, 2009 8:11 PM   in response to: darthmilo77 in response to: darthmilo77
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Yeah, Stackpole repeatedly refers to Yavin as 7 years earlier, which was never correct for those books. All of those references were in error originally, so we completely discounted them when coming up with the Atlas dates.

*It's a duration. 6 - 7 ABY. In other words, all of the events on that map come between 41:3 and 42:3.

Really? So if I was making a timeline of events in the 2008 election, ending at November 4th, it would make sense to entitle it "The Presidental Race (2008-2009)"?*

You'd likely still use only 2008 because "2008" is colloquially used as a year's name, so to speak. As much as people use "A.D." to mean "after death," it's the Latin for "in the year of our Lord," which is a year number, not a duration.

So a duration would, perhaps, say 2008 - 2009 (or, hell, 2007 - 2009 these days), but only if dealing in duration. It would just be 2008 (or 2007 - 2008) if dealing in year numbers.

In Star Wars, the BBY/ABY dates are durations before or after the Battle of Yavin, as the acronym implies. The only year "names" we have are the digital ones. Thanks to the Battle of Yavin not being on January 1, though, we're left with two calendars (one duration, one name) that are off in their alignment by about 3 months.

*We were talking before a month or two ago on the CW thread about whether the BBY/ABY year began and ended in month 3 in-universe. *

I've discussed this to the point of absurdity over the last month or two, but let me put it in simplest terms.

If you were thinking in terms of BBY/ABY, then the month from the Battle of Yavin until that same day the next month, would be Month 1. We'd say an event at that point was "One month ABY." (Just like we'd say something a month after Geonosis is "One month ABG" or one month after the Treaty of Coruscant would be "One month ATC.")

However, that's like saying that if today is the "Question Day," we could have an event on October 25 and call it "One month AQD." That would be on a BQD/AQD calendar, like the BBY/ABY calendar. However, we would still know that on the modern calendar, as we use it in America with leap years and such, that "first month" is actually, for us, "September 26 - October 25."

It isn't that the BBY/ABY calendar is some kind of renaming or relabeling of the digital calendar that began in the WEG materials. It's that they are totally different calendars, and people can't get straight sometimes, so they start assuming that you can just swap out a year number on the digital calendar for a year number on the BBY/ABY calendar without taking into account how the two vary in terms of starting points. That's when errors begin to emerge, like the one I corrected for Mrisst over on Wookieepedia.
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Sep 25, 2009 5:39 PM   in response to: DarthMRN in response to: DarthMRN
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Where are you getting 42:1:1 for Mrisst? You're talking about the one in the Road to Coruscant map, right? That's at 42:1:7, though it's only noted on the map as Z-41 days.

Sorry, wrong info from Wookieepedia and I confused sources. Although, I think I did hear someone say that in the book itself, they say the battle of Yavin was over seven years prior, so maybe both dates are wrong.

It's a duration. 6 - 7 ABY. In other words, all of the events on that map come between 41:3 and 42:3.

Really? So if I was making a timeline of events in the 2008 election, ending at November 4th, it would make sense to entitle it "The Presidental Race (2008-2009)"?

*Does that answer the question? I'm not really sure what you're asking here. *

We were talking before a month or two ago on the CW thread about whether the BBY/ABY year began and ended in month 3 in-universe.
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Sep 25, 2009 1:03 PM   in response to: Rainbow Droideka in response to: Rainbow Droideka
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The Galaxy Guides are S-canon?

Unless you've heard otherwise, they would fall under Leland's blanket statement from a while back about WEG material being initially designated S.
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Sep 25, 2009 12:38 PM   in response to: Rancor_Orga in response to: Rancor_Orga
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The Galaxy Guides are S-canon? Probably whoever was writing it was just, like, hey, this WEG stuff is in-continuity, right? And this one was totally first....
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Sep 25, 2009 11:29 AM   in response to: DarthMRN in response to: DarthMRN
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+> It went with the S-canon version over the C one?!

Man, that encyclopedia is full of nuttyness.+

Well, it was first.
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Sep 25, 2009 8:28 AM   in response to: Rancor_Orga in response to: Rancor_Orga
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It went with the S-canon version over the C one?!

Man, that encyclopedia is full of nuttyness.
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Sep 24, 2009 6:45 PM   in response to: Leland Y Chee in response to: Leland Y Chee
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Mr. Chee,

Galaxy Guide 4: Alien Races and* Cloak of Deception* show two different versions of the Ossan. The Complete Star Wars Encyclopedia says that the former is correct. Is it? ?:|
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Sep 23, 2009 8:43 PM   in response to: darthmilo77 in response to: darthmilo77
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I am trying to figure out what you mean, as I've not looked at this in a while.

If ABY/BBY years begin and end in month 3, why does the Battle of Mrisst happen in 7 BBY if it happens on 42:1:1? Wouldn't this indicate calendar year beginnings for ABY/BBY years?

Where are you getting 42:1:1 for Mrisst? You're talking about the one in the Road to Coruscant map, right? That's at 42:1:7, though it's only noted on the map as Z-41 days. The battle at Mrisst is near the end of the year 6 ABY, about two months before it converts to 7 ABY (which is about two weeks or so after the fall of Coruscant).

All right, here, better example: on page 197 it shows "THE ROAD TO CORUSCANT (6-7 ABY)" yet all of the dates occur before 42:3, with the seizure of Coruscant itself occurring on 42:2:17.

It's a duration. 6 - 7 ABY. In other words, all of the events on that map come between 41:3 and 42:3.

Does that answer the question? I'm not really sure what you're asking here.
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Sep 23, 2009 8:27 PM   in response to: darthmilo77 in response to: darthmilo77
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All right, here, better example: on page 197 it shows "THE ROAD TO CORUSCANT (6-7 ABY)" yet all of the dates occur before 42:3, with the seizure of Coruscant itself occurring on 42:2:17.
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Sep 18, 2009 9:31 AM   in response to: DarthMRN in response to: DarthMRN
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Nathan, or anyone who had anything to do with the Atlas:

If ABY/BBY years begin and end in month 3, why does the Battle of Mrisst happen in 7 BBY if it happens on 42:1:1? Wouldn't this indicate calendar year beginnings for ABY/BBY years?
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Sep 15, 2009 4:42 PM   in response to: Kiro in response to: Kiro
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Leland, will Republic Heroes for the DS contain the "full" storyline of the game, while the other versions contain a shorter version? Or will the versions vary slightly ala TFU? And if so, which is considered the definite version of events in the Holocron?
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Sep 8, 2009 9:49 PM   in response to: droidsandewoks in response to: droidsandewoks
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Hi Leland,

Is Felenar considered a typo of Fenelar? All the info we know about both seems to match up.

~ Kiro
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Sep 8, 2009 9:23 AM   in response to: darthmilo77 in response to: darthmilo77
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Sep 3, 2009 2:10 AM   in response to: darthmilo77 in response to: darthmilo77
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Dear Mr. Chee,

I have a question about Jake Farrell. Farrell is a Rebel Pilot who was named for the first time in Rebel Assault as an instructor to Rookie One. I noticed that he looked like an A-Wing Pilot seen in Episode VI. After some time many people (including myself) assumed that the pilot seen in the movie was Farrell but we forgot that no official source had yet named Farrell to be that A-Wing Pilot in 'Return of the Jedi' (though the physical similarities between the two characters are obvious). Hasbro will soon be releasing Farrell as part of an Evolutions Set and the bio says that Farrell participated in the Battle of Endor !

So my question is pretty simple. Is Fake Farrell also the Rebel Pilot seen on the url I added or isn't he? If he's not, then what's the name of that pilot?
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Aug 30, 2009 2:57 PM   in response to: Kiro in response to: Kiro
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This month, Tokyopop will release a Star Wars Manga anthology filled with uniquely bold tales set in a peculiarly Japanese incarnation of that galaxy far, far away... For their daring plots and offbeat directions, these stories are definitely "Infinities"-that is, they don't actually fit into Star Wars continuity. Nonetheless, they are rich in character, detail and action and are definitely worth a look. This anthology, which is a mix of black and white comics with a few color spreads of original illustrations, will only be available initially in Japan.

-from the publishers' summary

Leland didn't seem to imply that the status was changed once informed of the English versions when first asked.
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Aug 29, 2009 9:35 PM   in response to: darthmilo77 in response to: darthmilo77
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Star Wars Manga: Black and Star Wars Manga: Silver were originally published in Japan. At the time, you said the continuity level of these stories was a bit fuzzy. They've now been published in the UK (and therefore with confirmed English names etc). Has this changed their Holocron status? Are they now regular C-canon?

Thanks.
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Aug 27, 2009 2:18 PM   in response to: jcgoble3 in response to: jcgoble3
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Question I had from reading Wild Space that relates to the saga as a whole:

Bail Organa hadn't heard of the Sith at the beginning of the book. Why wouldn't he be aware of the Republic's opponent in every major war for the past 7,000 years? Is there some kind of massive conspiracy cover-up that only the Jedi are in on, or is Bail just not much of a history buff, especially for a congressman?
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Aug 26, 2009 5:58 PM   in response to: jcgoble3 in response to: jcgoble3
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Are all the Sorcerers of Tund Crokes (+Jedi Academy Training Manual+) or only Rokur Gepta (+The Essential Atlas+)?
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Aug 25, 2009 7:11 PM   in response to: Leland Y Chee in response to: Leland Y Chee
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Hello, Leland. Does the Holocron specify the year in which Jedi Apprentice: The Fight for Truth takes place? A simple calculation based on Obi-Wan's age of 13 in the book would place it in 44 BBY, but I have seen claims that it is in 43 BBY, presumably the early part of the year before Obi-Wan's 14th birthday. Is there an official date?

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