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Nathan P. Butler


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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Apr 5, 2009 8:43 AM   in response to: Mira Lodo in response to: Mira Lodo
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For what it's worth, everything I've seen with TOR seems to add to continuity, but not to turn around and botch anything. That's the beauty of an era with little to nothing set in stone that is set between two other eras where not everything has already been set in stone.

Somehow, I have more faith in the consistency of this era than many others. I mean, heck, they already have that online timeline/chronology series going that shows that they've planned out more than just the game's story itself.
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Apr 4, 2009 9:08 PM   in response to: DarthMRN in response to: DarthMRN
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With all due respect, why should we expect that, when we've seen so many sloppy errors lately?

I'm beginning to think that the best way to love this series is to stop worrying so much about the continuity.
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Apr 4, 2009 4:30 PM   in response to: Nathan P. Butler in response to: Nathan P. Butler
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Hey, Leland.

One of the TOR interviews claims the TOR team has a number of quality SW loremasters on board, second only to the peeps of Licencing, presumably to alleviate continuity issues and inspire story elements.

Can you confirm the quality of these loremasters? Are you confident that the TOR team will be able to keep themselves within continuity without Licencing having to hold their hand?
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Mar 23, 2009 10:46 AM   in response to: Jazinator in response to: Jazinator
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Nathan: Perhaps there is an intention to suggest that it is quite common that many Star Wars characters (Talon Karrde, Gilad Pellaeon, Bastila Shan, Jax Pavan etc.) can't do arithmetics.

Is that why the R7 droids exist in TCW when they weren't created until much later in the EU? They just forgot how to count in the TCW era, so they skipped a few numbers? :)
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Mar 23, 2009 10:14 AM   in response to: DarthMRN in response to: DarthMRN
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I for one hate that the line "For a thousand generations" was translated directly into 25,000 years, on the button in the EU, as well as the 1,000 years comment. People do have a tendency to round and exaggerate. It didn't need to be 1,000 even.
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Posted: Mar 23, 2009 5:49 AM   in response to: Kli Darth Paulus in response to: Kli Darth Paulus
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Heh. Speaking of which, it is Zhar Lestin, I believe, that in KotOR claims that Jedi have been training their Padawans a certain way for a thousand generations. This in the 4000 BBY era.

As I've understood it, the 25.000 year estimate was made from Obi's similar claim in ANH. Making a similar claim in K1 rather problematic. Bad math skills indeed. And this from a historian...
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Mar 23, 2009 4:01 AM   in response to: Nathan P. Butler in response to: Nathan P. Butler
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Nathan: Perhaps there is an intention to suggest that it is quite common that many Star Wars characters (Talon Karrde, Gilad Pellaeon, Bastila Shan, Jax Pavan etc.) can't do arithmetics. In that light, for example, the Zahn's erroneous dates for the Clone Wars and the Outbound Flight Project don't look like that bad anymore... :-) :-) ;-)
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Mar 22, 2009 12:22 AM   in response to: Leland Y Chee in response to: Leland Y Chee
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Has there been any light shed on the "Dark Jedi" manga comic and which Twin Qymaen might have killed for the Bane's heart crystal later?
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Mar 2, 2009 6:34 PM   in response to: Jazinator in response to: Jazinator
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Speaking as a fan only, I don't tend to take the internal dates for the Coruscant Nights book very seriously. I mean, Street of Shadows gave us four different entirely incorrect dates for when TPM took place . . .

;)
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Mar 2, 2009 9:55 AM   in response to: MasterGraestan in response to: MasterGraestan
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Not sure if this has been addressed already (or even if this is the correct thread to address it) but Sue Rostoni had mentioned a while ago that the original placement of the Coruscant Nights Trilogy was:

*Jedi Twilight - 18.8 BBY
Street of Shadows - 18.46 BBY
Patterns of Force - 18.3 BBY3*

and I was wondering if this was still the case. Because in Patterns of Force it mentions that Jax has not seen Laranth for "several months" which I believe was at the end of Street of Shadows and the 0.16 (~2 months) difference in date does not seem enough.
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Feb 24, 2009 2:51 PM   in response to: Sompeetalay in response to: Sompeetalay
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*Leland, what does the Holocron have to say about Jake Farrell? Is Jake the A-Wing Pilot in RotJ who flies back to the surface during the DS attack? Or is he just the tutor from Rebel Assault who was obviously based on the appearance of the A-Wing Pilot?

Is it possible for a retcon to tie these two characters into one?*

Honestly, if you read the CCG card for the Green Squadron guy, it doesn't exactly line up with Farrell's bio. While Jake Farrell was an R-22 pilot, the Green Squadron pilot was said in his CCG card to have been a top X-wing pilot who switched over to the RZ-1 A-wing once it became available to Alliance squadrons. I split the Wookieepedia articles and wrote an extensive one for the Green Squadron guy because I figured if it hadn't happened yet, the retcon was probably not too important or the most viable solution.
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Feb 15, 2009 2:12 PM   in response to: Rancor_Orga in response to: Rancor_Orga
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Plus, pretty much everything was already mentioned in later sources. (Heck the cartoon segment of the Holiday Special is now canon, according to the Complete Star Wars Encyclopedia)

This is not a reason why it would be C rather than S, however.

As far as the Holocron is concerned, they are treated as 'C' canon.

Well, I'll be damned. Wonder how that meshes with them being included in the novels as in-universe media...that was a fairly old post. Maybe things have changed. Shed some light on this, Leland?

Anyway, in that case I am positive the rest of the material in question has been revealed to be S.
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Feb 14, 2009 10:00 PM   in response to: Rancor_Orga in response to: Rancor_Orga
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Rancor_Orga:

(Love your screen name, btw. They DO look a lot alike, don't they?)

No, I think he said they were C-Canon. The Ewoks live-action movies were made by Lucas, so I don't see why they are S-Canon. Plus, pretty much everything was already mentioned in later sources. (Heck the cartoon segment of the Holiday Special is now canon, according to the Complete Star Wars Encyclopedia)

You are correct; they're C-canon. From here:

As far as the Holocron is concerned, they are treated as 'C' canon. While George did have some involvement in creating the initial story for those, I don't have any reference material indicating which parts are George's vision and which are the creation of the writers and directors of the movies.
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Feb 14, 2009 9:30 PM   in response to: Leland Y Chee in response to: Leland Y Chee
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Oh yeah, Mr. Chee, if you have time, could you answer this?

The Ossan in Cloak of Deception have been described differently than Galaxy Guide 4: Alien Races. The Complete Star Wars Encyclopedia goes with the older source than the novel. Does this mean the original depiction is canon, or can it be explained? Or something?
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Feb 14, 2009 9:22 PM   in response to: DarthMRN in response to: DarthMRN
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*To what Canon level (G,T, C, etc.) do the various
earlier TV shows belong? I am referring to shows like
the Droid and Ewok cartoons, Star Wars Christmas
Special, Caravan of Courage, etc.*

I am positive Leland has answered this for all the
sources you mention, either somewhere in this thread,
or in the current or last VIP thread. I am positive
he said they were all S. Though I can't be arsed to
dig up where he said it. If you really wanna know, do
a search.


No, I think he said they were C-Canon. The Ewoks live-action movies were made by Lucas, so I don't see why they are S-Canon. Plus, pretty much everything was already mentioned in later sources. (Heck the cartoon segment of the Holiday Special is now canon, according to the Complete Star Wars Encyclopedia)
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Feb 9, 2009 5:59 PM   in response to: DarthMRN in response to: DarthMRN
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Hey Tasty. I read on your blog about Jedi Casualties: Battle of Geonosis. And I was wondering about the deleted scene with the raid on the droid controlship. Who where the members of that strike force? The only named ones are Ki-Adi-Mundi and Plo Koon.
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Feb 8, 2009 5:31 AM   in response to: nihonniirugaijin in response to: nihonniirugaijin
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To what Canon level (G,T, C, etc.) do the various earlier TV shows belong? I am referring to shows like the Droid and Ewok cartoons, Star Wars Christmas Special, Caravan of Courage, etc.

I am positive Leland has answered this for all the sources you mention, either somewhere in this thread, or in the current or last VIP thread. I am positive he said they were all S. Though I can't be arsed to dig up where he said it. If you really wanna know, do a search.
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Feb 8, 2009 4:52 AM   in response to: nihonniirugaijin in response to: nihonniirugaijin
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The Glove of Darth Vader series has been altered, per the New Essential Chronology, to fit into the 5 ABY timeframe. The original series plus the NEC retcons can therefore be regarded as C-Canon, I think.
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Feb 7, 2009 6:18 PM   in response to: Leland Y Chee in response to: Leland Y Chee
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To what Canon level (G,T, C, etc.) do the various earlier TV shows belong? I am referring to shows like the Droid and Ewok cartoons, Star Wars Christmas Special, Caravan of Courage, etc.
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Feb 7, 2009 8:48 AM   in response to: S1th'ari in response to: S1th'ari
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Seeing how this has spiraled out of control, I think it best to at least cite my claims:

http:/ /forums.starwars.com/thread.jspa?threadID=152583&start=1818

And just so we're clear, Leland does say initially, so there is all possibility that these series have since been tested and found compatible. But as I said, unless specific proof of this exists, they have to be considered S.

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