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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
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Mar 23, 2009 10:46 AM
in response to: Jazinator
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Nathan: Perhaps there is an intention to suggest that it is quite common that many Star Wars characters (Talon Karrde, Gilad Pellaeon, Bastila Shan, Jax Pavan etc.) can't do arithmetics.
Is that why the R7 droids exist in TCW when they weren't created until much later in the EU? They just forgot how to count in the TCW era, so they skipped a few numbers? 
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
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Mar 23, 2009 10:14 AM
in response to: DarthMRN
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I for one hate that the line "For a thousand generations" was translated directly into 25,000 years, on the button in the EU, as well as the 1,000 years comment. People do have a tendency to round and exaggerate. It didn't need to be 1,000 even.
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
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Mar 23, 2009 5:49 AM
in response to: Kli Darth Paulus
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Heh. Speaking of which, it is Zhar Lestin, I believe, that in KotOR claims that Jedi have been training their Padawans a certain way for a thousand generations. This in the 4000 BBY era.
As I've understood it, the 25.000 year estimate was made from Obi's similar claim in ANH. Making a similar claim in K1 rather problematic. Bad math skills indeed. And this from a historian...
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
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Mar 23, 2009 4:01 AM
in response to: Nathan P. Butler
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
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Mar 22, 2009 12:22 AM
in response to: Leland Y Chee
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Has there been any light shed on the "Dark Jedi" manga comic and which Twin Qymaen might have killed for the Bane's heart crystal later?
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
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Mar 2, 2009 9:55 AM
in response to: MasterGraestan
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Not sure if this has been addressed already (or even if this is the correct thread to address it) but Sue Rostoni had mentioned a while ago that the original placement of the Coruscant Nights Trilogy was:
*Jedi Twilight - 18.8 BBY
Street of Shadows - 18.46 BBY
Patterns of Force - 18.3 BBY3*
and I was wondering if this was still the case. Because in Patterns of Force it mentions that Jax has not seen Laranth for "several months" which I believe was at the end of Street of Shadows and the 0.16 (~2 months) difference in date does not seem enough.
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
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Feb 24, 2009 2:51 PM
in response to: Sompeetalay
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*Leland, what does the Holocron have to say about Jake Farrell? Is Jake the A-Wing Pilot in RotJ who flies back to the surface during the DS attack? Or is he just the tutor from Rebel Assault who was obviously based on the appearance of the A-Wing Pilot?
Is it possible for a retcon to tie these two characters into one?*
Honestly, if you read the CCG card for the Green Squadron guy, it doesn't exactly line up with Farrell's bio. While Jake Farrell was an R-22 pilot, the Green Squadron pilot was said in his CCG card to have been a top X-wing pilot who switched over to the RZ-1 A-wing once it became available to Alliance squadrons. I split the Wookieepedia articles and wrote an extensive one for the Green Squadron guy because I figured if it hadn't happened yet, the retcon was probably not too important or the most viable solution.
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
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Feb 15, 2009 2:12 PM
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Plus, pretty much everything was already mentioned in later sources. (Heck the cartoon segment of the Holiday Special is now canon, according to the Complete Star Wars Encyclopedia)
This is not a reason why it would be C rather than S, however.
As far as the Holocron is concerned, they are treated as 'C' canon.
Well, I'll be damned. Wonder how that meshes with them being included in the novels as in-universe media...that was a fairly old post. Maybe things have changed. Shed some light on this, Leland?
Anyway, in that case I am positive the rest of the material in question has been revealed to be S.
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
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Feb 14, 2009 10:00 PM
in response to: Rancor_Orga
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Rancor_Orga:
(Love your screen name, btw. They DO look a lot alike, don't they?)
No, I think he said they were C-Canon. The Ewoks live-action movies were made by Lucas, so I don't see why they are S-Canon. Plus, pretty much everything was already mentioned in later sources. (Heck the cartoon segment of the Holiday Special is now canon, according to the Complete Star Wars Encyclopedia)
You are correct; they're C-canon. From here:
As far as the Holocron is concerned, they are treated as 'C' canon. While George did have some involvement in creating the initial story for those, I don't have any reference material indicating which parts are George's vision and which are the creation of the writers and directors of the movies.
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
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Feb 14, 2009 9:30 PM
in response to: Leland Y Chee
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Oh yeah, Mr. Chee, if you have time, could you answer this?
The Ossan in Cloak of Deception have been described differently than Galaxy Guide 4: Alien Races. The Complete Star Wars Encyclopedia goes with the older source than the novel. Does this mean the original depiction is canon, or can it be explained? Or something?
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
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Feb 14, 2009 9:22 PM
in response to: DarthMRN
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*To what Canon level (G,T, C, etc.) do the various
earlier TV shows belong? I am referring to shows like
the Droid and Ewok cartoons, Star Wars Christmas
Special, Caravan of Courage, etc.*
I am positive Leland has answered this for all the
sources you mention, either somewhere in this thread,
or in the current or last VIP thread. I am positive
he said they were all S. Though I can't be arsed to
dig up where he said it. If you really wanna know, do
a search.
No, I think he said they were C-Canon. The Ewoks live-action movies were made by Lucas, so I don't see why they are S-Canon. Plus, pretty much everything was already mentioned in later sources. (Heck the cartoon segment of the Holiday Special is now canon, according to the Complete Star Wars Encyclopedia)
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
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Feb 9, 2009 5:59 PM
in response to: DarthMRN
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Hey Tasty. I read on your blog about Jedi Casualties: Battle of Geonosis. And I was wondering about the deleted scene with the raid on the droid controlship. Who where the members of that strike force? The only named ones are Ki-Adi-Mundi and Plo Koon.
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
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Feb 8, 2009 5:31 AM
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To what Canon level (G,T, C, etc.) do the various earlier TV shows belong? I am referring to shows like the Droid and Ewok cartoons, Star Wars Christmas Special, Caravan of Courage, etc.
I am positive Leland has answered this for all the sources you mention, either somewhere in this thread, or in the current or last VIP thread. I am positive he said they were all S. Though I can't be arsed to dig up where he said it. If you really wanna know, do a search.
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
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Feb 8, 2009 4:52 AM
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The Glove of Darth Vader series has been altered, per the New Essential Chronology, to fit into the 5 ABY timeframe. The original series plus the NEC retcons can therefore be regarded as C-Canon, I think.
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
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Feb 7, 2009 6:18 PM
in response to: Leland Y Chee
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To what Canon level (G,T, C, etc.) do the various earlier TV shows belong? I am referring to shows like the Droid and Ewok cartoons, Star Wars Christmas Special, Caravan of Courage, etc.
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
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Feb 7, 2009 8:48 AM
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Seeing how this has spiraled out of control, I think it best to at least cite my claims:
http:/ /forums.starwars.com/thread.jspa?threadID=152583&start=1818
And just so we're clear, Leland does say initially, so there is all possibility that these series have since been tested and found compatible. But as I said, unless specific proof of this exists, they have to be considered S.
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
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Feb 7, 2009 7:17 AM
in response to: S1th'ari
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That argument is the reason everyone is skeptical. DarthMRN believes Leland Chee verified this (or something of the sort) some ways back... it got a few posters wondering (me included), in the BCaT thread here.
They wanted an official answer from Leland himself, as do I.
Although I do agree, I don't know why YJK/JJK wouldn't be considered C-Canon... and I'm willing to bet that it is.
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
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Feb 7, 2009 7:15 AM
in response to: Rancor_Orga
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DarthMRN said:
Because Leland said in the Holocron thread how everything published before Holocron testing (2000-) save adult novels, reference works and ongoing comic series were S-canon. And the Wook identifies JJK and YJK (junior novels) as being published before that time. So unless specific proof exists that exclude these series from this blanket statement, they have to be S.
If necessary I can dig up the quote for you.
Also, since when did what characters appear in a story have anything to do with canon level?
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
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Feb 7, 2009 7:07 AM
in response to: Leland Y Chee
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To save you guys time YES they are all C-Canon. They ALL got referenced in multiple scorces. I donīt see why all you guys think these young readers books are considered S-Canon.
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