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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Oct 19, 2008 4:01 PM   in response to: hero_of_the_emp... in response to: hero_of_the_emp...
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It seems that these two or three unidentified admirals (which may include Admirals Tandres and Tavares, mentioned in Galaxywide NewsNets in Star Wars Adventure Journal 12) would have been the admirals in charge of separate fleets that were combined to create Death Squadron - it does say that Vader called his favorite Star Destroyers together. Amise Griff would presumably be Vader's choice or the senior-most of these admirals, which is why he would assume command of Death Squadron.

Then the story would proceed like this: Griff dies, the Executor is unveiled, Death Squadron is officially formed, and Kendal Ozzel is transferred from the ISD Reprisal to the Executor as Griff's replacement. Note, however, that there would be a period between Griff and Ozzel without a commander of Death Squadron, unless Admiral Bentro (the third admiral, perhaps?) becomes acting admiral as commander of the Executor.

My final question is this: Would any of this be possible?
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Posted: Oct 19, 2008 4:00 PM   in response to: Leland Y Chee in response to: Leland Y Chee
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Mr. Chee, is it true that Amise Griff was the original admiral in command of Death Squadron, even though the fleet wasn't officially formed until after the commissioning of the +Executor+? If so, why are there two unidentified admirals (possibly three) present onboard the Executor in some of the Classic Star Wars comic strips?

If I may, I believe I've come up with a good way to fix all of this. In my opinion, it's likely that Death Squadron was unofficially formed before the +Executor+'s christening ceremony, after which it was officially formed. This would make sense, as the Executor is active before this ceremony as well.

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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Oct 19, 2008 8:53 AM   in response to: Mith_the_Godling in response to: Mith_the_Godling
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TFU questions (spoilers apply):

1. So Vader spent time raising and training an apprentice, just to deceive him into gathering Rebel leaders... that Palpatine ended up letting go? I'm not sure I understand the point of it all?

2. How is the Executor in use before it was constructed at the Starship Yards of Fondor two years later?

3. If Bail is a fugitive from the law, branded a traitor and terrorist, why does he allow his daughter to stay in the Senate? For that matter, why is Leia not arrested on site when she goes to Coruscant? Why do Vader, Palps and Leia pretend like they all have amnesia? Here, in their midst, is someone who knows about their top-secret weapon, is outspoken against the Empire, and is the daughter of the man they supposedly wanted to kill.
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Oct 14, 2008 11:02 PM   in response to: Leland Y Chee in response to: Leland Y Chee
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Question for Chee. Is George Lucas allowed to change canon on whim? That is to say, if he makes a statement on canon policy, is it to be taken as official? As such in the case of him saying that there are three worlds for Star Wars? Or does Lucas have to actually go through someone to change the canon policy (such as speaking to Chee first?) or does someone like Chee have to make such a statement in order for it to be official?
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Oct 14, 2008 1:27 PM   in response to: Leland Y Chee in response to: Leland Y Chee
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Leland,
I've got two question about LFL's 12-month-calendar system:
1) When does a year in BBY/ABY begin? At the first day of the in-universe year (e.g. 13:01:01 / 13:F1:1) or at the day of the battle of Yavin?
2) How many days does a month have?
Thanks for your time! (First posted on the BCaTVIPs thread)
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Sep 28, 2008 8:54 PM   in response to: Drayz in response to: Drayz
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In Golden Age of the Sith, Marka Ragnos is called "the most powerful of the most powerful". But then in Vader: The Ultimate Guide, Emperor Palpatine is called "the most powerful Sith Lord the galaxy has ever known".

Both are true in their contexts; the GOAtS statement is at a specific time and in a specific group. Whether Ragnos was the most powerful Sith Lord in the Empire at the time, or even the most powerful to that date, Palpatine could have surpassed him later.
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Posted: Sep 28, 2008 6:55 AM   in response to: DarthMRN in response to: DarthMRN
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They're also two entirely different Sith Orders, so even if those statements weren't hyperbole, they could be seen as referring to the most powerful Sith of their particular order.
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Posted: Sep 27, 2008 9:37 PM   in response to: Drayz in response to: Drayz
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Author intent and opinions most likely are not part of continuity. And that sounds like the opinion of either the author, or a character. Both can be drawn into question.

BTW, can you provide a page reference to that claim? I don't recall it.
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Posted: Sep 27, 2008 7:45 PM   in response to: Leland Y Chee in response to: Leland Y Chee
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In Golden Age of the Sith, Marka Ragnos is called "the most powerful of the most powerful". But then in Vader: The Ultimate Guide, Emperor Palpatine is called "the most powerful Sith Lord the galaxy has ever known".

They contradict each other, so are statements that say who's better than who considered canon?
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Sep 26, 2008 11:30 PM   in response to: Leland Y Chee in response to: Leland Y Chee
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Leland, can you confirm that the new Rebel Force-series takes place in the busy 6-month-period following ANH? Beneath is the summary from the new Previews...

POSSIBLE SPOILERS!!!!!

Just after the events of Episode IV: A New Hope, the Imperial forces have a new plan to stop the Rebellion - and the pilot who destroyed the Death Star. With the Rebel Alliance's finances were lost with the destruction of Alderaan, their last hope is to access the secret accounts on Muunilinst, the former home of the InterGalactic Banking Clan and the financial heart of the galaxy. So Luke, Leia, Han, Chewbacca, and the droids head for Muunilinst - only to find the Empire's top assassin waiting for them.


END OF SPOILERS!!!!

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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Sep 24, 2008 1:59 PM   in response to: Sompeetalay in response to: Sompeetalay
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Regarding TFU:

Given that the comic specifically puts the "framing story" (and thus the end of the game and novel) at 2 BBY, but has two specific six months gaps noted (the former of which is specified as six months in other sources as well, but the latter of which, as far as I know, is only specified in the comic), can we safely assume that TFU's Starkiller missions (i.e. not the Vader event) starts around 3 BBY?

Regarding the Vader level wherein Starkiller is found: Are we to assume that the date given for this event in Jedi vs. Sith: The Essential Guide to the Force is the correct date for this event?

Also, given that TFU is quite different on different platforms, are we to believe that the canonical version of events are those found in the LucasArts (Xbox 360 and PS3) versions of the game, which are more closely represented in the novel and comic?
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Sep 24, 2008 11:25 AM   in response to: hero_of_the_emp... in response to: hero_of_the_emp...
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Posted: Sep 14, 2008 2:06 PM   in response to: Leland Y Chee in response to: Leland Y Chee
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Oh, one more question regarding Wullf Yularen: Would you happen to know who played Yularen in +A New Hope+?
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Posted: Sep 14, 2008 12:28 PM   in response to: KiMiTe in response to: KiMiTe
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Nice comparison I'd say. The costumes look alike, but maybe they shop at the same boutique :)
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Sep 14, 2008 11:41 AM   in response to: Leland Y Chee in response to: Leland Y Chee
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Is senator Gem Sirron who appears in both Trisha Biggar's +Dressing a Galaxy +and on the Official Pix website http://www.officialpix.com/estore/proddetail.asp?prod=SW-19 17, the same character played by Visual Effects Producer Jill Brooks seen at the Galaxies Opera House http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Jill_Brooks%27s_Opera_House_ Patron?
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Sep 14, 2008 10:26 AM   in response to: Nathan P. Butler in response to: Nathan P. Butler
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Tasty:

In the case of Tales of the Jedi and Dark Empire, would the original comics supersede the audio dramas if there was a direct contradiction, or would things be dealt with on a case-by-case basis?

Thanks.
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Sep 12, 2008 11:50 AM   in response to: Lord Hydronium in response to: Lord Hydronium
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Interesting.

You'd think it would've been caught in editing . . .

But, hey, we have an answer, so that works. :)
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Sep 12, 2008 11:41 AM   in response to: Nathan P. Butler in response to: Nathan P. Butler
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According to Michael Reaves in on TheForce.Net, the health problems he's been having led to a few understandable slip-ups. So they're just mistakes, not a time jump or rearranging of the timeline.
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Sep 12, 2008 9:16 AM   in response to: AtomFox in response to: AtomFox
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Hmm . . .

Okay, I have some Street of Shadows confusion, though nothing that would be considered spoilers, I don't believe.

1. When making references to Darth Vader and Anakin Skywalker, the first and most of the second book in this series make it clear (I think) that Jax has no idea that Anakin went on to become Vader. None of his companions know this either. However, on p. 117, the "narrator" (from the perspective of our heroes) makes mention of Anakin's "one-man pogrom" during Order 66. Is this an error, or one of those few times when the narration, despite having a specific point of view, was allowed to stretch beyond the character's knowledge? It just seems jarring.

2. References to "Flame Night" were a bit unclear in the first book, but based on the second, we have to assume that it is within the first month or two after ROTS, correct? (It has to be a bit before the first book, yet after Order 66.)

3. This one feels just . . . sloppy. I'm not entirely even sure what to make of it . . .

Street of Shadows is set a few months (which they say repeatedly without pinning down a number) after Jedi Twilight, which was, itself, within the first few months after ROTS.

On p. 90, Rhinnan is considering a transmission from Drongar during "the waning years of the Clone Wars." (Given the transmission, it's dating back to the Medstar books, it seems.) However, the transmission is repeatedly said to have been about TWENTY years old, hence some degradation. It is as if this entirely little few page section has somehow leaped ahead nearly two decades in perspective, when, obviously, it is not meant to do so.

Is there something I'm reading wrong? Am I missing some contextual comment that makes those twenty year references make sense somehow?
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
Posted: Sep 9, 2008 4:33 PM   in response to: Rancor_Orga in response to: Rancor_Orga
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Just read the article in "Wired," Great to see you getting some attention, Mr. Chee.

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