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jSarek


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Re: The other Imperial Grand Admirals...
Posted: Jan 24, 2007 3:07 PM   in response to: Violetlight in response to: Violetlight
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Sorry, I meant "How Thrawn would see Palpatine's other Grand Admirals." ;-)

I think Thrawn would be proud to see Pellaeon come so far, though.
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Posted: Jan 24, 2007 7:43 AM   in response to: jSarek in response to: jSarek
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You forgot Pellaeon on your list, but I think that one's pretty obvious. ;)
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Posted: Jan 23, 2007 11:31 PM   in response to: jSarek in response to: jSarek
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Teshik - A good and competent man outcast for his outward appearance. I think Thrawn would see much to approve of in Teshik.

Tigellinus - Tigellinus's animosity towards Thrawn is well documented, an animosity I'm sure was at least somewhat reciprocated.

Zaarin - I don't know much about Thrawn and Zaarin's relationship, if any, before Zaarin turned traitor. I do know Thrawn was the one tasked to bring him down once that happened. Whether it was an opportunity to bring down an old foe, or a sad turn of events for him to hunt down an old friend, I just can't say. Someday I'll try playing through TIE Fighter and find out.
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Posted: Jan 23, 2007 11:30 PM   in response to: jSarek in response to: jSarek
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Makati - Makati seemed fairly competent, with his one weakness being a hatred for the Prophets of the Dark Side. Thrawn could go either way with him, depending on how he's characterized.

Pitta - Extreme xenophobe hypocrites are probably even lower on the scale than doofuses.

Syn - Thrawn's devotion to his people means he would probably respect someone similarly devoted. On the other hand, Thrawn's extreme rationalism probably wouldn't have thought too highly of Syn's choice to place that devotion in his faith(s).

Takel - I don't think Thrawn is the type to appreciate perverted drug addicts. On the other hand, despite his vices Takel was very much a strategic genius, a trait Thrawn could appreciate.
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Posted: Jan 23, 2007 11:29 PM   in response to: jSarek in response to: jSarek
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Here's how I suspect Thrawn would've seen the other Grand Admirals:

Batch - The man kept a low profile in court politics and focused on his work. I think Thrawn would've appreciated that.

Declann - The Force was, I think, one of Thrawn's blind spots. He knew it existed, was important, and was capable of several important practical feats, but I've always gotten the impression that it was one of the few things he never developed a deep understanding of. Thus, Declann was probably a bit of a wild card to him.

Grant - Grant canonically has a beef with the alien Grand Admiral. That wouldn't have put him high on Thrawn's friend list.

Grunger - Anyone this megalomaniacal would've shown signs that Thrawn would've picked up on.

Il-Raz - Thrawn has no patience for doofuses.
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Posted: Jan 23, 2007 11:05 PM   in response to: Violetlight in response to: Violetlight
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So in other words, there's so little info on him that anything I say will probably not be going against canon.

No, you're probably safe.

That's good enough for me. Do you think he and Thrawn would have been friends, as the two "outcast" Grand Admirals?

Thrawn's promotion to the Grand Admiralty was a secret, until it was formally recognized by "promoting" him during his hunt for Zaarin right before the Battle of Endor. I doubt Teshik knew Thrawn was a GA.

And yes, his execution IS, without a shadow of a doubt, a war crime.

You, like GrandAdmiralJello, assume too much. ;-p
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Posted: Jan 23, 2007 5:29 PM   in response to: jSarek in response to: jSarek
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So in other words, there's so little info on him that anything I say will probably not be going against canon.

That's good enough for me. Do you think he and Thrawn would have been friends, as the two "outcast" Grand Admirals?

And yes, his execution IS, without a shadow of a doubt, a war crime.

I'll make sure to add a memorial to him in Chakra City on Nirauan.

Grand Admiral Osvald Teshik. May he rest in peace.
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Posted: Jan 23, 2007 2:08 PM   in response to: Violetlight in response to: Violetlight
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Before he was described in "Who's Who: Imperial Grand Admirals" in Star Wars Insider #66, he only appeared in a very brief throwaway mention in West End Games's "The Far Orbit Project," which only established he was responsible for security in the Galactic Core. Almost everything else about his story is from Insider 66, with a little more elaboration of the forces he commanded in defense of the Core mentioned in Coruscant and the Core Worlds. The New Essential Chronology mentions him, but it's all info originally covered in Insider #66.

Here is a link to one of Abel's blogs about Insider #66, which includes a link to the publisher, which currently has the issue on sale. It also has a link to a thread on theforce.net that has some detailed analysis of Teshik's execution, and whether it constitutes a New Republic war crime; Abel chimes in around page 4.
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Posted: Jan 23, 2007 10:37 AM   in response to: jSarek in response to: jSarek
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I would like to learn more about Grand Admiral Teshik. From your description he seemed like a pretty decent guy. The Rebels trying him for war crimes is just another example of their hypocricy and injustice towards Imperials.

What books or comics does he show up in? I think he was a true hero of the Empire, and I would like to acknowledge him as such in my stories.
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Posted: Jan 22, 2007 3:10 PM   in response to: Violetlight in response to: Violetlight
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Violetlight:

jSarak, your website rules! Can I use it as my main reference material for any info I need for my fanfics on the GAs? I'll cite you, don't worry.

Sure, although (as I'm sure is obvious) I've fallen rather behind in keeping it up; I haven't even read Survivor's Quest or Outbound Flight yet, let alone added that info to Thrawn's bio.

I think I've managed to include all references to the Grand Admirals that aren't Thrawn or Pelly, though, even the more recent ones.
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Posted: Jan 22, 2007 11:43 AM   in response to: Nar Cranor in response to: Nar Cranor
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BTW, has anyone read Ender's Game or the series of books after it?

I studied Ender's Game for my pop culture class at university. I keep thinking of Ender as like a kid version of Thrawn.

The Thrawn mini's really cool, but I don't like the cape. It just doesn't seem to suit him. Capes are more Vader's style.

jSarak, your website rules! Can I use it as my main reference material for any info I need for my fanfics on the GAs? I'll cite you, don't worry.
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Posted: Jan 21, 2007 2:22 AM   in response to: Nar Cranor in response to: Nar Cranor
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Nar Cranor:

Martio Batch will have a small role in the Star Wars Fan Comic: Cracken's Crew: The Invisible War at http://www.fandomcomics.com

The "invisible admiral." Very appropriate. ;)

Best,
Abel
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Posted: Jan 20, 2007 1:34 PM   in response to: Tresk Im'nel in response to: Tresk Im'nel
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BTW, has anyone read Ender's Game or the series of books after it? How cool would an Orson Scott Card novel about the 12 grand admirals be? I could see him doing some very cool things with it!
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Posted: Jan 20, 2007 1:31 PM   in response to: Tresk Im'nel in response to: Tresk Im'nel
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Martio Batch will have a small role in the Star Wars Fan Comic: Cracken's Crew: The Invisible War at http://www.fandomcomics.com
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Posted: Apr 6, 2006 7:35 PM   in response to: jSarek in response to: jSarek
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Rogue_Follower:

*Nice nugget of continuity.

Here's the caped Thrawn mini.*

Awesome. :)

jSarek:

So my website is now at a new location, and the Grand Admirals page along with it; you can now find it at http://churchofbrad.com/jsar ek/admirals.htm .

The og GAs website... thanks, jSarek. ;)

Take care,
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Posted: Apr 6, 2006 7:33 PM   in response to: jSarek in response to: jSarek
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The og GAs website... thanks, jSarek. ;)

Take care,
Abel
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Re: The other Imperial Grand Admirals...
Posted: Apr 6, 2006 7:27 PM   in response to: Nex: The T is H... in response to: Nex: The T is H...
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Interesting observations, Nex. I'm not sure if it was cowardice or not. My instincts tell me that for all involved -- Makati, Takel, and Pellaeon -- there was a bit more justification to their actions that just self-preservation. We just haven't seen the reasons yet.
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Posted: Apr 6, 2006 3:08 PM   in response to: Nex: The T is H... in response to: Nex: The T is H...
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Hello all.

A bit over a month ago, my website at Freeservers stopped working, and due to their lack of tech support for free accounts, I was unable to get it back up and running there. So my website is now at a new location, and the Grand Admirals page along with it; you can now find it at http://churchofbrad.com/jsar ek/admirals.htm .
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Posted: Feb 25, 2006 3:57 PM   in response to: Dalkowski in response to: Dalkowski
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Makati and Takel certainly showed their cowardice at Endor when they abandoned the Imperial fleet after the shield was deactivated. While Declann helped coordinate the fleet (and ultimately did in service to his Emperor) and Takel attempted to rally the fleet by assuming command, Takel and Makati both cowardly fled well before Pellaeon curiously assumed command and retreated to Annaj. Takel and Makati fled back to Imperial Centre and remained loyal until their eventual deaths. They are lucky to have not been tried by Courts-Martial and executed for fleeing in the face of the enemy. One can only assume that the Imperial State made the concious decision to not punish any ranking officers for indiscretions at Endor to avoid any firther political embarrasment. Pellaeon was also pardoned of his curious (and illegal) retreat call.
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Posted: Jan 30, 2006 10:02 PM   in response to: Tresk Im'nel in response to: Tresk Im'nel
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I actually spent a few hours speculating on the Thrawn figure put out by Galoob's Micro-Machines line. I have two of the aforementioned figures, and examined one with the aid of a jeweler's lens (the all-purpose examination tool...whoever invented that thing should be given a medal). It looks like "Thrawn" wasn't a new mould, but instead a copy of the Dracula figure put out by Galoob/Micro-Machines several years earlier (I have a friend that collects Micro-Machines himself)! Apparently, they thought the head and face would look appropriate. I'd noticed the same with the Wedge Antilles figure that came with the "Truce at Bakura" set and the Kyp Durron mini (I think it was Kyp) being a repainted and slightly recut Luke Skywalker. Oh well. At least they had figures, period.

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