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AnAkAiNsOlO


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Re: The Jedi Academy
Posted: May 4, 2005 6:04 PM   in response to: Rainbow Droideka in response to: Rainbow Droideka
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Oh. oops. :-D
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Re: The Jedi Academy
Posted: May 4, 2005 5:17 PM   in response to: jSarek in response to: jSarek
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Indeed. The posted list adds up to 15 if you include the three later students, so I don't think he meant them as part of the 12.
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Re: The Jedi Academy
Posted: May 4, 2005 4:53 PM   in response to: AnAkAiNsOlO in response to: AnAkAiNsOlO
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I think the original poster new this; that's why he included the 3 unknown students before Mara, Kyp, and Cilghal.
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Re: The Jedi Academy
Posted: May 4, 2005 3:36 PM   in response to: AnAkAiNsOlO in response to: AnAkAiNsOlO
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*Corran Horn (under the alias Keiran Halcyon)
Kam Solusar
Brakiss*
Gantoris*
Streen
Tionne
Dorsk 81*
Kirana Ti
Kyle Katarn
(unknown student #1)
(unknown student #2)
(unknown student #3)
Mara Jade
Kyp Durron
Cilghal
*

Mara Jade was not one of the original twelve, and neither was Kyp. Kyp came when gantoris died, and so did mara, raising their number to thirteen. How do I know this?
"Within a week, the rest of the Jedi candidates had reached the academy... making our number an even dozen
I, Jedi pages 94-96
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Re: The Jedi Academy
Posted: May 2, 2005 6:03 PM   in response to: Rainbow Droideka in response to: Rainbow Droideka
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Bump.
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Re: The Jedi Academy
Posted: May 2, 2005 1:19 AM   in response to: jSarek in response to: jSarek
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Wow, I knew about Quin and Shada, but not the others. That's cool.

This is getting kind of off-topic though...
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Re: The Jedi Academy
Posted: May 1, 2005 10:41 PM   in response to: Mykal Castor in response to: Mykal Castor
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Shada D'ukal, Talon Karrde's lieutenant after the Hand of Thrawn duology, was one of the two Mistryl masquerading as the Tonnika Sisters in A New Hope.

Walex Blissex, designer of the Victory-class Star Destroyer and the A-Wing, was made one of the unnamed people in the Rebel briefing in Return of the Jedi; you can see his picture here,

While we're on the topic, here're Decipher CCG's pics of Tycho, Page, and Shada.
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Re: The Jedi Academy
Posted: May 1, 2005 9:42 PM   in response to: AnAkAiNsOlO in response to: AnAkAiNsOlO
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I know that Quin Vos is in Ep 1, where r the rest?

Page, just like Tycho Celchu was retroactively included in RotJ. But unlike Tycho, Page was part of Han Solo's ground attack force. Apparently Bren Derlin, better known as Cliff Claven, was part of that team as well.

Never heard of most of the others. Might be PT characters. I haven't read any of the PT novels, basically because I wasn't that impressed with the first two episodes.
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Re: The Jedi Academy
Posted: May 1, 2005 8:13 PM   in response to: jSarek in response to: jSarek
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I know that Quin Vos is in Ep 1, where r the rest?
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Re: The Jedi Academy
Posted: May 1, 2005 6:10 PM   in response to: Mykal Castor in response to: Mykal Castor
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I'm only halfway through I, Jedi, but don't recall Kyle's name popping up.

It isn't; he's first mentioned as attending the Academy in The Essential Chronology.

And there is no way he could be included in the original JAT since it came out before Dark Forces, and that was where he made his first appearance.

Yep. The originaly JAT only mentioned six of the twelve in the first class; Anderson left the rest unnamed so later authors could "plug in the holes" as needed, which Stackpole wound up being the first to do.

*Is this another case of using an existing situation to provide backstory, like Tycho in RotJ?
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Yep. It's actually pretty common; you'd be surprised how many semimajor EU characters (Quinlan Vos, Shada D'ukal, Lt. Page, Walex Blissex) are actually in the movies as background characters - in the cases of Page and Blissex, retroactively.
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Re: The Jedi Academy
Posted: May 1, 2005 7:13 AM   in response to: Jade2 in response to: Jade2
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Interesting. Can anyone name another team of a master and twelve disciples?

How about Jacob/Israel and his 12 sons.

Another, Muhammad and the descendants of his cousin 'Ali, the 12 Imams of the Shiites... though they didn't all exist at the same moment in time, there is something to be said for the mystical tradition and the probability of teaching in the mystic realm.

Oh yeah, and early on GL had theorized the Jedi as having been founded by "the Skywalker" who passed his teachings to his 12 children... the biblical theme has always been present in SW... i don't see why people tripped out on the virgance in the Force thing and the "Chosen One" prophecy.
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Re: The Jedi Academy
Posted: May 1, 2005 1:34 AM   in response to: Mykal Castor in response to: Mykal Castor
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3 of the original 12 seems to be too many to leave
unnamed. I'm wondering now if JTS has anymore info
on this.

Only the guesses I've already made in this thread and others.

~JTS
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Re: The Jedi Academy
Posted: May 1, 2005 1:23 AM   in response to: Mykal Castor in response to: Mykal Castor
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One other thing I just noticed regarding the Dathomiri witches.

At the end of chapter 24 of I, Jedi, the remining 12 students and the twins are holding their war conference. One line stands out.

The Dathomiri Witch watched me carefully.

This leads me to believe that Kirana Ti was the ONLY Dathomiri at the Academy at the time.

So, I think we can narrow the list down.
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Re: The Jedi Academy
Posted: Apr 30, 2005 11:09 PM   in response to: James T. Skywal... in response to: James T. Skywal...
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I know its been a while since this topic was discussed, but I found myself trying to come up with this list myself while re-reading I, Jedi.

I really don't have any solid evidence to help here, but I do have a question.

We know for a fact that we can name 8 (9 if you count Kyle Katarn).
The first three to arrive
1. Corran Horn, aka Keiran Halcyon
2. Kam Solusar
3. Brakiss
The rest of the 12
4. Gantoris
5. Streen
6. Kirana Ti
7. Tionne
8. Dorsk 81
9. Kyle Katarn
The last 3 are as yet unnamed.

I'm only halfway through I, Jedi, but don't recall Kyle's name popping up.
And there is no way he could be included in the original JAT since it came out before Dark Forces, and that was where he made his first appearance.
Is this another case of using an existing situation to provide backstory, like Tycho in RotJ?

3 of the original 12 seems to be too many to leave unnamed. I'm wondering now if JTS has anymore info on this.
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Re: The Jedi Academy
Posted: Sep 25, 2004 8:03 AM   in response to: Quin Vos in response to: Quin Vos
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Wouldn't Luke consider Halla for training? And what
about Dal Konur?

Halla admits after Luke finds the Kaiburr crystal that she has no real Force sensitivity, so that's a no-go. And according to his entry in the CUSWE, Dal Konur didn't want anything to do with the new Jedi Order, because he thought they were too "soft" (my emphasis, not his quote).

~JTS
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Re: The Jedi Academy
Posted: Sep 25, 2004 3:12 AM   in response to: Joser Kyind in response to: Joser Kyind
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Wouldn't Luke consider Halla for training? And what about Dal Konur?
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Re: The Jedi Academy
Posted: May 15, 2004 9:20 AM   in response to: James T. Skywal... in response to: James T. Skywal...
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That's where I was going.

I think they just need to do another book or something that explains who the other three are. Although I do think Harlan should be considered one of them.
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Re: The Jedi Academy
Posted: Apr 15, 2004 3:44 PM   in response to: James T. Skywal... in response to: James T. Skywal...
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D'ganin:

it is highly unlikely that anyone survived the purging and joined the Academy (at least through the end of the NJO). remember, Luke still has only the holocrons to turn to for knowlege about training...

Except we know some Padawans did manage to escape the purge - Corwin Shelvay, for example. Heck, Kam Solusar even had some training from Ranik Solusar, so we know at least some remnants of the late Old Jedi Order made it to the Academy.

My guess is that most of the survivors were trained by Masters who were on the fringes of Jedi thought - Corellian Jedi, for instance, and those who rebelled against the No Marriage or One Padawan Only doctrines. These are the sorts who would have had minimal contact with the rest of the Jedi, and thus the Sith knew the least about them, while simultaneously explaining why so many of the Old Order Jedi seen in the Original Trilogy era and later didn't follow Jedi rules to the letter.
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Re: The Jedi Academy
Posted: Apr 15, 2004 2:40 PM   in response to: James T. Skywal... in response to: James T. Skywal...
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it is highly unlikely that anyone survived the purging and joined the Academy (at least through the end of the NJO). remember, Luke still has only the holocrons to turn to for knowlege about training...

I just don't see your theory panning out.
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Re: The Jedi Academy
Posted: Apr 15, 2004 2:37 PM   in response to: James T. Skywal... in response to: James T. Skywal...
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What about Nyo and Kinnin Vo-Shay?

I don't believe Vo-Shay was Force Sensitive. He'd learned a few lightsaber katas from Aryzah's spirit, but I think that's it.

SWAJ#13, the original source for the story, backs me up on this; its game stats for the characters in The Last Hand show Nyo as being Force-Sensitive, Vo-Shay as not.

However, Nyo might be among the original twelve . . . but I tend to think he studied under Aryzah, rather than going to the Academy.

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