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Posted: Jul 17, 2009 1:18 PM   in response to: Rainbow Droideka in response to: Rainbow Droideka
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That staff according to the Art of Revenge of the Sith was able to fire a blue like ball of energy. I think there was two small pictures of it. Good concept that never was used in the actual movie
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Posted: Jul 28, 2005 2:16 AM   in response to: ≈Suzanne&... in response to: ≈Suzanne&...
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Do the Making of or the Art of books have any info on this decorated staff thing that Chewbacca is holding in some pictures (like in the Visual Dictionary - but not his main picture, the inset near the top) and other places like the Galactic Heroes figure? It's like this wooden staff thing with jewels set in the top. I don't remember seeing it in the movie....
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Posted: Jul 8, 2005 9:11 PM   in response to: IllogicalRogue2 in response to: IllogicalRogue2
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Oh, true. Good point. Kind of evidence in the other
direction though, is what Palps told Anakin right
after he joined him, about how he didn't actually
know yet how to stop death, even though he said
earlier that Plagueis did. I guess he might have just
been exaggerating in that particular area
though.*

Maybe he was lying and didn't want Anakin to save Padme and was putting off teaching him anything worthwhile until Padme was gone.

Padme would be a massive distraction to a good Sith, after all. ;)
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Posted: Jul 8, 2005 3:45 PM   in response to: IllogicalRogue2 in response to: IllogicalRogue2
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unless Palpatine wasn't Plagueis's apprentice, but rather Plagueis's Apprentice's apprentice

Yeah, except that possiblity has been discounted already.+ Labyrinth of Evil+ states that Plagueis was Palpy's master.
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Posted: Jul 8, 2005 2:04 AM   in response to: Rainbow Droideka in response to: Rainbow Droideka
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Oh, true. Good point. Kind of evidence in the other direction though, is what Palps told Anakin right after he joined him, about how he didn't actually know yet how to stop death, even though he said earlier that Plagueis did. I guess he might have just been exaggerating in that particular area though.*
Yeah I caught that too, unless Palpatine wasn't Plagueis's apprentice, but rather Plagueis's Apprentice's apprentice.
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Posted: Jul 6, 2005 8:05 PM   in response to: Rainbow Droideka in response to: Rainbow Droideka
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actually, how does this sit with what we know about when Palps took on Maul? Didn't he take him on as a baby? In which case doesn't this mean that Plagueis died way before he could have caused the midichlorians to create Anakin

Oh, very good point. Unless he started training Maul in secret or something long before Plagueis died, but that seems a bit unlikely. Does Tasty have anything to say about this?
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Well, the final script does include Palpatine saying something along the lines of Plagueis having taught his apprentice everything he knew...

Oh, true. Good point. Kind of evidence in the other direction though, is what Palps told Anakin right after he joined him, about how he didn't actually know yet how to stop death, even though he said earlier that Plagueis did. I guess he might have just been exaggerating in that particular area though.

I'm pretty sure he was created by one or the other - and if by Plagueis then well and truly with Palpatine's knowledge and complicity (and maybe not not long before Palps killed Plags?)

That's kind of the impression I had.
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Posted: Jul 6, 2005 7:08 AM   in response to: AnAkAiNsOlO in response to: AnAkAiNsOlO
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The main Dymocks in Sydney has both, for around $60
each.

Our local major bookstores in Melbourne seem to be closing in droves ... the Dymocks at Southland, Frankston and Melbourne Central have all shut down, as have the Collins bookstores at Southland and the city that I usually go to.

Angus & Robertson still don't have them in the city, Southland (2 stores) and Frankston.

They don't have Karen Traviss's books either. :(
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Posted: Jul 6, 2005 6:41 AM   in response to: Rainbow Droideka in response to: Rainbow Droideka
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Hm, interesting. Yeah, that's what I was asking
about. Do you think the final intention was the same?
I kind of got the impression from the movie that it
was Plagueis and not Palpatine himself who did it.

Well, the final script does include Palpatine saying something along the lines of Plagueis having taught his apprentice everything he knew...

Did you see what Tasty Taste and Sith Scribe had to say about it on the previous page?

I'm pretty sure he was created by one or the other - and if by Plagueis then well and truly with Palpatine's knowledge and complicity (and maybe not not long before Palps killed Plags?)

edit: actually, how does this sit with what we know about when Palps took on Maul? Didn't he take him on as a baby? In which case doesn't this mean that Plagueis died way before he could have caused the midichlorians to create Anakin (unless it was one helluva long gestation period).
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Posted: Jul 6, 2005 5:02 AM   in response to: Rainbow Droideka in response to: Rainbow Droideka
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The main Dymocks in Sydney has both, for around $60 each.
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Posted: Jul 6, 2005 4:51 AM   in response to: ≈Suzanne&... in response to: ≈Suzanne&...
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Hm, interesting. Yeah, that's what I was asking about. Do you think the final intention was the same? I kind of got the impression from the movie that it was Plagueis and not Palpatine himself who did it.
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Posted: Jul 6, 2005 4:27 AM   in response to: Rainbow Droideka in response to: Rainbow Droideka
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What exactly does the Making of book have to
say regarding the midi-chlorians and Anakin's
conception?

If you mean what was in the original script (but not the final one), at page 42 of The Making of there is this:

On Coruscant PALPATINE completes his seduction of ANAKIN, who at first refuses to go over to the dark side - until the Chancellor makes a startling confession:

scriptDARTH SIDIOUS
I have waited all these years for you to fulfill your destiny {...} I arranged for your conception. I used the power of the force to will the midichlorians to start the cell divisions that created you.

ANAKIN
I don't believe you

DARTH SIDIOUS
Ahhh, but you know it's true. When you clear your mind, you will sense the truth. You could almost think of me as your father.

ANAKIN
That's impossible

DARTH SIDIOUS
Nevertheless, you must decide...[/script]
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Posted: Jul 6, 2005 3:54 AM   in response to: ≈Suzanne&... in response to: ≈Suzanne&...
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What exactly does the Making of book have to say regarding the midi-chlorians and Anakin's conception?
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Posted: Jun 16, 2005 3:58 AM   in response to: Leland Y Chee in response to: Leland Y Chee
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For any Aussies who are interested ... Minotaur now have stocks of the US editions of both of these books in stock (although at rather exhorbitant prices - nearly $50 for the softback Making of and around $75 for the hardback Art book).

Still no sign of them in the mainstream bookstores.
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Posted: Jun 15, 2005 3:22 PM   in response to: Leland Y Chee in response to: Leland Y Chee
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Nice. Thanks! :)
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Posted: Jun 15, 2005 8:44 AM   in response to: Leland Y Chee in response to: Leland Y Chee
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Check out J. W. Rinzler's ("Sithscribe's") blog:

J.W. Rinzler
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Posted: Jun 15, 2005 6:53 AM   in response to: Rainbow Droideka in response to: Rainbow Droideka
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The early scripts give you an idea of different ways Palpatine was planning on manipulating Anakin, using statements that may or may not be true--but one thing is pretty definite: Palpatine is Anakin's metaphorical if not biological father.

By metaphorical, do you mean "father-figure" metaphorical, or "created him through the Force" metaphorical? ;)

This is quite interesting, because it's quite a big plot point if it's true - will George ever reveal an answer about Anakin's creation? The only thing he's said is that he left it deliberately ambiguous and left it up to the audience to decide whether it was the Sith or the will of the Force - but do you think will he ever give us a canon answer? He said back in February in Vanity Fair that "Ultimately, I would say the Force itself created Anakin" - so would that be the official canon answer?
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Posted: Jun 2, 2005 2:15 PM   in response to: Leland Y Chee in response to: Leland Y Chee
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Thanks for the explanation, Tasty.
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Posted: Jun 2, 2005 1:01 PM   in response to: Leland Y Chee in response to: Leland Y Chee
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...mentions of the Journal of the Whills... and I was wondering if either of these has any effect on the official continuity?
The term "Journal of the Whills" has been around since the original novelization of Star Wars and it is also mentioned in the The Annotated Screenplays. With the ROTS screenplay, we learn that the "Shaman of the Whills" are involved with how the Jedi learn to come back from the dead. All this is considered in-continuity, though details about the Whills remain a mystery.

With regard to George's comments to Rob Coleman, we try to glean whatever tidbits of information we can in instances like this but we also have to take these statements with a grain of salt. Sometimes George may have been joking or he may have just been speaking off the cuff. He also reserves the right to change his mind. Sometimes we get to explore these ideas further in the EU, and sometimes we don't. In this case we don't.
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With all the redundant threads this had dropped to page 4 - so maybe Tasty TAste and SithScribe weren't aware of RD's question...

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