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saith vaapar

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Re: Books, Comics, & Television VIPs
Posted: Apr 22, 2009 7:13 AM   in response to: James T. Skywal... in response to: James T. Skywal...
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Hey Sue,
I was wondering if you could update us about the state of Blood Oath ?
If I remember well it was supposed to begin during Invincible, and end somewhere around Outcast. Since the book haven't been finished before outcast release I was wondering if it has gone to some story editing so that the book could end somewhere near Abyss so that Zekk can be included in the FOTJ story just after his return to the order (it would seem weird that he isn't mentioned in outcast and omen if he's already back in the order by then). oh and also is there an official release date for that book ?

Thanx in advance Sue
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Re: Books, Comics, & Television VIPs
Posted: Apr 22, 2009 6:34 AM   in response to: James T. Skywal... in response to: James T. Skywal...
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I can't beleive master optician noticed Broox's toes.

As far as storage, I also keep my paperback's in a tote. But I keep the hardcovers in a bookshelf at work. Therefore I end up liking the harcovers better.

As for the book length issue, I prefer the longer ones. I wouldn't want it to be longer, and boring. But I did expect the beginning book of a new story arc would be longer that Outcast was.

My only complaint about book length remains Invincible. There was so much going on that could have easily added 100+ pages to that book. I loved that book for what it contained, but it could have been so much more, filled with relevant storyline(not filler).
Darth Revanon

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Re: Books, Comics, & Television VIPs
Posted: Apr 21, 2009 4:24 PM   in response to: James T. Skywal... in response to: James T. Skywal...
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I just learned that ABYSS is coming out August 18th rather than August 25th.

One week earlier :)

The back cover is being worked on now....

Awesome! When do you think will be able to see it?

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Re: Books, Comics, & Television VIPs
Posted: Apr 21, 2009 4:22 PM   in response to: Nathan P. Butler in response to: Nathan P. Butler
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*Speaking of endings that didn't feel like endings, I'd been wondering:

MILLENNIUM FALCON SPOILERS


"Millennium Falcon" by James Luceno ends with, for lack of a better term, the entire novel having been a red herring, or a "wild Bantha chase," as Obi-Wan might say.*

You didn't like THE MALTESE FALCON either, did you? ;P

Seriously, that's pretty much what this story was. There was a time that a LOT of pulp stories had similar structures, although most of them were in the detective genre.

Darth_Henning


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Re: Books, Comics, & Television VIPs
Posted: Apr 21, 2009 3:09 PM   in response to: Sue Rostoni in response to: Sue Rostoni
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when we are closer to the publication of the 5th and last book, we will be looking at all five and considering where to go with them, format-wise.

Sue, could you suggest to them that they reprint a collection of all 5 in 1?

Either way, good to know that they'll look at it again.
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Re: Books, Comics, & Television VIPs
Posted: Apr 21, 2009 1:36 PM   in response to: The Broox in response to: The Broox
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I can see your toes in that pic. :p
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Re: Books, Comics, & Television VIPs
Posted: Apr 21, 2009 1:33 PM   in response to: vandaronas in response to: vandaronas
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*Thanks Sue. I personally hope that they will
reprint in regular paperback, seeing as to that's all
I buy. *

The TPB format of Wild Space really wasn't all that
bad. It was a little easier to hold I thought. I was
originally upset at the difference, but as long as
you don't care about differences in size on your
bookshelf (which, if you have any hardcovers or
comics, you don't), then there's really no
difference.


Since I store my novels like this (old picture) I need the books to be the same size. If they are not the same size they won't fit.
vandaronas


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Posted: Apr 21, 2009 1:05 PM   in response to: jadesaber86 in response to: jadesaber86
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*Thanks Sue. I personally hope that they will reprint in regular paperback, seeing as to that's all I buy. *

The TPB format of Wild Space really wasn't all that bad. It was a little easier to hold I thought. I was originally upset at the difference, but as long as you don't care about differences in size on your bookshelf (which, if you have any hardcovers or comics, you don't), then there's really no difference.

Personally, I prefer hardcover to any paperback format, so I don't really care if it's reprinted or not. But that's just me.
Sue Rostoni


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Re: Books, Comics, & Television VIPs
Posted: Apr 21, 2009 11:50 AM   in response to: jadesaber86 in response to: jadesaber86
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I just learned that ABYSS is coming out August 18th rather than August 25th.

The back cover is being worked on now....
jadesaber86


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Re: Books, Comics, & Television VIPs
Posted: Apr 21, 2009 11:22 AM   in response to: James T. Skywal... in response to: James T. Skywal...
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Thanks Sue. I personally hope that they will reprint in regular paperback, seeing as to that's all I buy.
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Posted: Apr 21, 2009 11:04 AM   in response to: vandaronas in response to: vandaronas
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Back quite a long time ago a few people asked why THE CLONE WARS novelization wasn't coming out in paperback here in the U.S. since it initially came out as hardcover. At that time I didn't know and guessed that perhaps it didn't sell as well as expected, due to the economic slowdown. I should never post my "guesses." I have since spoken with Shelly at Del Rey and here's her answer:

The first Clone Wars novel was published as a hardcover because the decision was made to do the first cartoon episodes as a movie, and the feeling was that a hardcover better signaled everyone's excitement about the movie. Since the other 4 books were neither novelizations nor tied to a feature film, we stuck with our original plans to publish them in trade paperback--a first for that format in adult SW fiction. If we were to reprint the first book in mass-market paperback, it would still be a singleton; when we are closer to the publication of the 5th and last book, we will be looking at all five and considering where to go with them, format-wise.
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Re: Books, Comics, & Television VIPs
Posted: Apr 21, 2009 7:16 AM   in response to: James T. Skywal... in response to: James T. Skywal...
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Sue - in my trip in the way back machine (looking for the above quote), I noticed that the Coruscant Nights trilogy was originally scheduled to debut back in May of 06, 2 years before it actually did. How come it was delayed so long?
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Posted: Apr 21, 2009 7:12 AM   in response to: vandaronas in response to: vandaronas
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As added info, I just found this quote from Sue from WAY back...

I just received Matt Stover's first draft of the Revenge of the Sith novelization. It's about 520 pages long at 12pt Courier.

Granted, this was a first draft, so lots could've changed. But... The final hardcover was 432 pages (1.2 ratio), and the mass market paperback was 480 pages (1.08 ratio). So using the hardcover ratio from ROTS on the Abyss manuscript, we get 400 pages. So it looks like either way, Abyss will be quite long. :)
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Posted: Apr 21, 2009 6:54 AM   in response to: jason max in response to: jason max
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you get a consistent ratio of 1.3 MS pages to every 1 final page

That's exactly the ratio I wanted to compute by asking Sue for the Outcast manuscript length. Thanks!

369 pages sounds good. :)
S1th'ari


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Posted: Apr 20, 2009 10:05 PM   in response to: jason max in response to: jason max
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Well, that's the longest so far, with Omen the shortest. Thanks, jmax.
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Re: Books, Comics, & Television VIPs
Posted: Apr 20, 2009 9:56 PM   in response to: S1th'ari in response to: S1th'ari
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Millennium Falcon: Aka "Sometimes the Journey is more important than the Ending."

and on manuscript lengths... double-spaced does not mean that there is a whole text's length of space between lines, so the page count would not be HALF.

When considering older Troy Denning manuscript lengths (namely, those of the DN trilogy, which Sue handily posted several hundred pages back) and compared them to the final products, you get a consistent ratio of 1.3 MS pages to every 1 final page. Meaning that if Abyss followed the same rule, and doesn't have any major cuts, it's count ought to be something close to 369.
S1th'ari


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Re: Books, Comics, & Television VIPs
Posted: Apr 20, 2009 9:07 PM   in response to: vandaronas in response to: vandaronas
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Definitely. The ending was ridiculously anticlimactic, but the story leading up to it was great, I thought -- namely the parts with the weapons syndicate, Seff Hellin and Jadak's story.
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Re: Books, Comics, & Television VIPs
Posted: Apr 20, 2009 8:57 PM   in response to: James T. Skywal... in response to: James T. Skywal...
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I totally agree Nathan. It's one of the main reasons that I don't really care for the book at all, something I rarely say about a Star Wars novel.
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Re: Books, Comics, & Television VIPs
Posted: Apr 20, 2009 8:41 PM   in response to: S1th'ari in response to: S1th'ari
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Speaking of endings that didn't feel like endings, I'd been wondering:

MILLENNIUM FALCON SPOILERS


"Millennium Falcon" by James Luceno ends with, for lack of a better term, the entire novel having been a red herring, or a "wild Bantha chase," as Obi-Wan might say. They spend the entire novel learning a lot of great information about the Falcon's history (really intriguing stuff), but they are all chasing the MacGuffin (the "treasure" of the Republic Group).

However, it turns out that the "treasure" is more symbolic than of monetary value, except to a collector of Republicana. Moreover, even the symbolic and collector value is completely wiped out because the object is a forgery anyway, with the real symbol somewhere out there in the galaxy with little hint as to where it might actually be.

To many readers, we had a great novel that lead up to an ending that felt like it "just ended" with the feeling that the entire adventure had been entirely pointless.

The question then is:

I'm assuming the idea of making the "treasure" symbolic and then a forgery was the choice of the author, James Luceno, but was there any point during writing/editing when you all said, "Okay, wait, do we really want this to be fake? Doesn't that undermine the story?" or otherwise raise concerns as to the impact (or lack thereof) of the novel's ending?

I can understand wanting the treasure to be symbolic. It's been done to death already, but it's a tried and true way to end a treasure hunt without the players becoming filthy rich and changing things dramatically for future stories. But to have it not only be symbolic but also a forgery? Isn't that like having Indiana Jones seek the Ark of the Covenant or the Holy Grail, only to discover an old hope chest and a Burger King cup?

It always seemed like an odd creative decision to me. Maybe I'm missing a critical insight that went over my head somewhere.

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S1th'ari


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Re: Books, Comics, & Television VIPs
Posted: Apr 20, 2009 8:11 PM   in response to: vandaronas in response to: vandaronas
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I felt the same way about the beginning of the war -- I felt it was a bit artificial, I couldn't get invested in it emotionally as I could the Clone Wars. It ended the same way, too.

No, it's not just you -- I read it a few days ago and felt the same. Granted, I loved the Caedus/Jaina parts, but I felt Ben's plot was a tad boring as well as most of the starfighter actions.

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