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Darth_Henning


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Re: Books, Comics, & Television VIPs
Posted: Dec 9, 2008 5:35 PM   in response to: S1th'ari in response to: S1th'ari
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But, of course, that is not to say that the novel authors won't use them, it's always possible - they're just not really obligated to do so. Either way, I wouldn't mind, I just wanted to know why they chose K'kruhk and T'raa in the first place, and what impact this would have on the novels... which would appear to be none.

Problem is if the novel authors don't use them eventually, we hit a continuity wall when we near Legacy. Those Jedi missing for 60 years is already a stretch, but 160? Thats utterly impossible. Unless they're going to suddenly change it so that star wars now has two different EUs (comics and novels being now separate), there has to be some cross-over eventually, and I'm wondering if LFL is planning on separating the two media into separate universes, or is planning to bring them together more.
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Posted: Dec 9, 2008 3:57 PM   in response to: TheSithEmpire in response to: TheSithEmpire
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that's not Karen Miller's fault. She's a newcomer to the universe who's work should be weighed on its own merits.

Hear, hear.
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Posted: Dec 9, 2008 11:43 AM   in response to: S1th'ari in response to: S1th'ari
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Nathan, let's just hope it's a mistake, ala +Street of Shadows+' dates and several others that have emerged in recent times.

If not, then it's a problem as there's no way all of the novels, novellas, short stories and comics can fit into a single month. Several months, yes. Now all Lucas said is that Anakin was knighted in the first year. By placing that knighting in the last month of the year (as I did on my timeline), everything that needs to fit before that event, fits just fine.

The cartoon series hardly needs those few extra months +and +they've chosen to keep dates ambiguous anyway. So the question until answered is 'Why is an EU source invalidating a host of other EU sources for no reason?'

And incidentally, that's not Karen Miller's fault. She's a newcomer to the universe who's work should be weighed on its own merits. Dates and continuity issues remain the domain of LFL.
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Re: Books, Comics, & Television VIPs
Posted: Dec 8, 2008 7:44 PM   in response to: Darth_Henning in response to: Darth_Henning
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The whole reason Legacy authors used them is because the novel authors did not, and do not have any plans for them. They didn't want to mess with the novels' timeline/continuity/plans, as Ostrander says, so they used 2 old Jedi that would otherwise have been overlooked by the NJO. Plus, he also says that Yoda or Luke would not have sensed them because they were not drawing on the Force or acting as Jedi.

But, of course, that is not to say that the novel authors won't use them, it's always possible - they're just not really obligated to do so. Either way, I wouldn't mind, I just wanted to know why they chose K'kruhk and T'raa in the first place, and what impact this would have on the novels... which would appear to be none.

I'm sure the novel authors know this. I just don't think it would happen (if it does at all) any time soon.
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Posted: Dec 8, 2008 7:27 PM   in response to: S1th'ari in response to: S1th'ari
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*So I guess that clears up the confusion about K'Kruhk and T'ra Saa showing up in the novels... They were used in the Legacy comics explicitly because they were not used in the novels... if they had been, it would have severely limited the novel authors' ability to write them. Makes sense. *

Same problem though. They obviously join the order some time before Legacy, and so they have to appear in novels sooner or later. The question is do any of the novel authors know this or have plans for it eventually?
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Posted: Dec 8, 2008 4:42 AM   in response to: James T. Skywal... in response to: James T. Skywal...
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But that is not to say an author might try to lead up to Legacy and use K'krukk or Traa Saa...
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Posted: Dec 7, 2008 4:44 PM   in response to: Jeff Ferguson in response to: Jeff Ferguson
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Thanks, Jeff. I am glad they choose not to use all of the novel characters, and I don't know why everyone keeps expecting for them to all start showing up...

John Ostrander: At the time we determined to use K'Kruhk and T'ra, we knew of no age range given for Whupids. We simply wanted to use older Jedi that would have no influence on the novels. Both characters started in DH comics so we felt safe in using them. Both were out of touch with the Jedi or the rest of the galaxy. Neither Yoda nor Luke could be expected to know of them nor sense them if they were not acting as Jedi.

So I guess that clears up the confusion about K'Kruhk and T'ra Saa showing up in the novels... They were used in the Legacy comics explicitly because they were not used in the novels... if they had been, it would have severely limited the novel authors' ability to write them. Makes sense.
Jeff Ferguson

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Posted: Dec 7, 2008 3:34 PM   in response to: S1th'ari in response to: S1th'ari
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That link goes to a reply to this thread, Jeff.

Aaaaaand I'm an idiot. John Ostrander actually talks about their reasoning for not using Lowbacca and co. here!

Re: Clone Wars continuity --- I think it's easier just to breathe easy now, and let people like Abel G. Pena sort it out when it's all over. Will save a LOT of headaches. :p
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Posted: Dec 7, 2008 9:38 AM   in response to: Gato Branco in response to: Gato Branco
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Two observations- the first is that I'm glad I don't follow continuity all that closely. I basically see the Clone Wars as that period in between episodes 2 and 3, and as long as it all respects that (which it basically has to), I'm okay with it.
The second is that I'm glad Del Rey's been told to largely keep their hands of the episode 3-4 territory until after that TV show debuts.
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Re: Books, Comics, & Television VIPs
Posted: Dec 7, 2008 6:31 AM   in response to: James T. Skywal... in response to: James T. Skywal...
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It seems that the "C" in C-canon is short for "contradicting"...
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Posted: Dec 7, 2008 1:17 AM   in response to: Nathan P. Butler in response to: Nathan P. Butler
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That is scary stuff.

But wouldn't any novel, even a TCW one, be just C-canon like most of the conflicting material? If it is not the show, then it shouldn't have any inherent superceeding power. Meaning that if the novel does win out, the official folks have let a single instance of C supercede, nay steamroll, a ton of other C. I don't think there is even a precedent for that happening...
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Re: Books, Comics, & Television VIPs
Posted: Dec 6, 2008 7:53 PM   in response to: S1th'ari in response to: S1th'ari
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So . . .

A fan who apparently wound up getting their copy of Wild Space a few days early has posted something that has continuity oriented fans in a bit of a tizzy.

If I'm understanding correctly, Anakin was knighted four weeks after AOTC, then full-scale war broke out three weeks after that.

If this is the case, it would seem to blow the "just split the continuity after Dreadnaughts of Rendili and sort of part the Red Sea to make room for TCW in the middle" idea that most of us were expecting out of the water. There's very little conceivable way, I'd think, to somehow cram 2.5 years worth of stories into under a month (which was at least a tad more feasible for several months).

This strikes me in several ways. It has been said repeatedly that the "old" Clone Wars era continuity would not be thrown out by the new TCW materials, only adjusted. This seemed to be due to the creative freedom afforded to the cartoon creative team, which did not have to fit previous continuity, though they try. (Though I really do hope that the Target info on the origin of Grievious is not going to end up part of TCW and somehow supercede his previous, detailed backstory.)

Anyway . . . this "four week knighting" scenario is not something from TCW's cartoon incarnation, but from a novel tie-in. I would think that's LucasBooks / Del Rey's department, not the TCW cartoon team. So . . . is this an error? Is this supposed to be months instead of weeks? Are the TCW novel tie-ins being treated as basically continuity unto themselves like the cartoons and any "collateral damage" to the other previously-published material is just going to be left to be swept up and reassembled later? It seems odd that a tie-in novel for the cartoon would set up one of the most jarring continuity tweaks of TCW.

Lastly, I assume that the idea of not throwing out the previous materials still stands? There seems to be a growing opinion among the few who have seen this new date that could be summarized as "Oh, the heck with it! Just do two separate continuities of the war. We give up."

Can anyone shed some light on this development?
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Posted: Dec 4, 2008 4:57 PM   in response to: Jeff Ferguson in response to: Jeff Ferguson
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That link goes to a reply to this thread, Jeff
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Posted: Dec 4, 2008 3:14 PM   in response to: Darth_Henning in response to: Darth_Henning
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Do the authors at Del Rey communicate with the authors at Dark Horse? It seems strange that there has been no mention of Lowie from the novels in Legacy (he should still be alive), or K'Kruck in the novels (he obviously joined the jedi at some point prior to legacy). And there are a few other character inconsistencies.

John Ostrander, the author of Legacy, has addressed that question here. Heyo!
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Posted: Dec 3, 2008 12:59 PM   in response to: Darth_Henning in response to: Darth_Henning
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Hey Sue ... do novelists still get paid for cancelled books like Knightfall and +Escape from Dagu+?

Like Michael Jan Friedman had already finished Knightfall 1 when the trilogy was canned so did he get to keep his advance or however that works?
Darth_Henning


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Posted: Dec 3, 2008 6:55 AM   in response to: The Broox in response to: The Broox
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Could be on a separate contract as Clone wars was, and Republic Commando.

Just a thought.

EDIT:

Another question Sue:

Do the authors at Del Rey communicate with the authors at Dark Horse? It seems strange that there has been no mention of Lowie from the novels in Legacy (he should still be alive), or K'Kruck in the novels (he obviously joined the jedi at some point prior to legacy). And there are a few other character inconsistencies.

You've mentioned that the authors of FOTJ are working closely to keep a (more) standard character development and plot lines, and I was wondering if the same style (if not frequency) of communcation occurs between the authors of the two mediums.
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Re: Books, Comics, & Television VIPs
Posted: Dec 2, 2008 7:38 PM   in response to: Darth_Henning in response to: Darth_Henning
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*And it has been stated in the past (by Sue I
believe) that anthologies are not profitable enough
to publish... *

Would someone kindly explain profitable "ENOUGH" ?

Unless they're losing money on it why would they not
publish++ it.


If you can only release so many books you are going to choose the most profitable ones.
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Re: Books, Comics, & Television VIPs
Posted: Dec 2, 2008 3:50 PM   in response to: Darth_Henning in response to: Darth_Henning
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1. Imperial Commando #1 by Karen Traviss was listed on Sue's blog as having a release date of 4th August 2009, Amazon.com have just listed this book (here) with a release date of 29th September 2009 (nearly two later than previously mentioned). Which is correct?

Betting on September. Sue might still say August for now, but in these cases she almost always comes back later telling us it changed.

If you're wondering why the change, I'd remind you that Karen has other commitments, (her second Gears of War book comes out July 28) so there could have been a conflict of schedule.
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Posted: Dec 2, 2008 12:53 PM   in response to: eddie in response to: eddie
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*And it has been stated in the past (by Sue I believe) that anthologies are not profitable enough to publish... *

Would someone kindly explain profitable "ENOUGH" ?

Unless they're losing money on it why would they not publish it.
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Re: Books, Comics, & Television VIPs
Posted: Dec 2, 2008 12:50 PM   in response to: Nick Fel in response to: Nick Fel
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Got a couple of questions if somebody could answer:

1. Imperial Commando #1 by Karen Traviss was listed on Sue's blog as having a release date of 4th August 2009, Amazon.com have just listed this book (here) with a release date of 29th September 2009 (nearly two later than previously mentioned). Which is correct?

2. Random House has listed the first four of Jude Watson's Jedi Quest books as being made available as audiobook digital downloads from the 24th March 2009 (book #4) and 14th April(books #1 thru 3)(??). Can we expect the rest of the Jedi Quest books being made available, and will other series such as Jedi Apprentice, Last of the Jedi also be made into audiobooks?

Thank you as always....

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