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Zinnos


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Re: Welcome some BCaT VIPs
Posted: May 20, 2008 3:59 PM   in response to: Jaina SoIo in response to: Jaina SoIo
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My thoughts on LOTF: Wonderful and I know many people won't agree with my next statement, but better than NJO. I loved the human emotion in this series- and I connected to it better than any other SW series- especially Inferno.

I have to congratulate everyone that was involved with this series. I loved it.
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Re: Welcome some BCaT VIPs
Posted: May 20, 2008 3:38 PM   in response to: Jaina SoIo in response to: Jaina SoIo
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I want nothing more than to follow Jaina as she struggles to pick up the pieces of her shattered life. I would feel cheated if MF picks up a couple of years later only to find out that Jaina has completely recovered from (spoilers)--

--killing her twin brother, her best friend, her closest ally. I hope that that is something that Jaina never completely gets over, and fundamentally changes her as a person. I don't wish to read about Jaina in emotional agony for the rest of her life, but I do want to see this change her the way it would change anyone.

If you say that you'll pass the word onto Luceno and ask him to touch upon the emotional healing that is taking place, I'll put my faith in you as I always have. But please, hear me out, I think you would be making a devastating mistake by not pouncing on the emotional potential the aftermath of Jacen's death would bring.

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Re: Welcome some BCaT VIPs
Posted: May 20, 2008 3:37 PM   in response to: Jaina SoIo in response to: Jaina SoIo
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That being said, I feel like I was punched in the gut when I read "We're putting the gap in there so you won't have to read about the angst and grief our main characters experience after Jacen's death, etc. We want them to be able to recover a bit, off camera." After feeling like I was left grasping for straws at the end of Invincible, you're going to pull away any chance we have to see the raw aftermath of the LotF series? You make an interesting point with Chewbacca's death, but let's put things into perspective--Chewie's death was the first major death in an Star Wars EU book. It was totally and completely shocking. The fans were up in arms because you had never done anything like that before. Now that it's been done and we are expecting it, even anticipating it, the fans surely behave differently than when Chewie died.
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Re: Welcome some BCaT VIPs
Posted: May 20, 2008 3:35 PM   in response to: James T. Skywal... in response to: James T. Skywal...
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Sue--

Thanks so much for kindly addressing some of my concerns. I wish I could've reacted more positively, but I have a lot of respect for you for addressing the good reviews as well as the bad. It makes me feel like my voice isn't lost in the sea of fans.
DarthMRN


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Re: Welcome some BCaT VIPs
Posted: May 20, 2008 2:38 PM   in response to: 5308856 in response to: 5308856
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Sue, now that I know you are here I will hazard asking my question again:

Are there any plans for a guide to novel continuity (junor and adult) a la +Star Wars: The Comics Companion+?

I assume you are the person to ask.
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Re: Welcome some BCaT VIPs
Posted: May 20, 2008 1:49 PM   in response to: Sue Rostoni in response to: Sue Rostoni
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jacen fan, how do you feel about jacen's fate?

and sue, thank you for the info. we are fortunate that you keep us in the loop. i also have some trouble with characters aging too fast. i mean yeah jaina will be probably what 34 when milinnium falcon comes out. its so fast. it seemed like we had more time with luke, but maybe not. and luke will be at least 61when the falcon comes out? man everyone is getting, old and sometime in the future we are going to need a heavy influx of new charactors to make up for the old gaurd passing, and will we even recognize this universe when that sad day happens?

monocularman

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Re: Welcome some BCaT VIPs
Posted: May 20, 2008 1:45 PM   in response to: Sue Rostoni in response to: Sue Rostoni
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I would maintain that there is a big difference between Han and Leia's reaction to their son's fall and his death. While Caedus was alive, there was still the chance, however small, that Jacen could somehow be brought back. With him dead, that chance is gone forever, and I imagine that that would have some kind of effect on Han, Leia, and Jaina. Telling yourself that a loved one is dead is very different than him actually being dead.

Still, as long as he isn't completely forgotten, I, and probably many other readers, will be satisfied. Thanks.
Sue Rostoni


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Re: Welcome some BCaT VIPs
Posted: May 20, 2008 12:50 PM   in response to: monocularman in response to: monocularman
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Readers need to be able to connect with characters, and it's very hard to connect with, say, a father who seemingly loses his only remaining son and does not mourn for him, as Han will seem when we see him next in Millenium Falcon.

I understand your point-of-view. We did see Han's and Leia's struggle, and Jaina's as well, throughout the LotF series once Jacen turned into Caedus. They grieved quite a bit for their lost son in the series. Still, though, I know what you're wanting, and I think Jim will have to include some of what they're still going through.
vong1116


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Re: Welcome some BCaT VIPs
Posted: May 20, 2008 12:37 PM   in response to: Sue Rostoni in response to: Sue Rostoni
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Sue, I'm really looking for this new contract. I beleive that we are going to get a very good set of books. I'm really looking for more stories after LOTF. This era rocks, and with the Legacy comic book, I'm thrilled.
Wari


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Re: Welcome some BCaT VIPs
Posted: May 20, 2008 12:36 PM   in response to: monocularman in response to: monocularman
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I shouldnt have read that last spoiler, I didn't realize it was for the falcon book. I'm sure the suspense will still be there because Lucenos behind the wheel.
monocularman

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Re: Welcome some BCaT VIPs
Posted: May 20, 2008 12:34 PM   in response to: monocularman in response to: monocularman
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You say people like to mourn in private. True, but there's a lot of things people like to do in private that characters don't get to do in private. I doubt Leia like the idea of thousands witnessing the birth of her children, or that Luke wanted millions to watch him say goodbye to his father.

Readers need to be able to connect with characters, and it's very hard to connect with, say, a father who seemingly loses his only remaining son and does not mourn for him, as Han will seem when we see him next in Millenium Falcon.
monocularman

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Re: Welcome some BCaT VIPs
Posted: May 20, 2008 12:26 PM   in response to: Sue Rostoni in response to: Sue Rostoni
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But the pain of it all is what makes it so interesting to read. It's cathartic. If people want a rest from the pain of it all, then they can hold off reading the next book until they're ready to dive back in. How do you think readers would have reacted if, following Mara's death, the next book had picked up a few years later. Ben and Luke may have moved on by then, but the readers won't have; to them, Mara's death would still be fresh in their minds. Many of them may be looking for some sort of closure following her death, but they won't get it because the grieving took place "off camera' as you said.

It's the same with Jacen. Readers, with his death still fresh in their minds, will open the next chronological book and find that the other characters have moved on.
Sue Rostoni


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Re: Welcome some BCaT VIPs
Posted: May 20, 2008 11:58 AM   in response to: monocularman in response to: monocularman
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*What?! Why would you skip over the emotional aftermath of the death one of the EU's most pivotal characters? "Jacen's dead, so we can move on and forget him?" All told, about fifteen pages was spent dealing with the main characters', mostly Jaina's, reactions to Jacen's death, and that's all we're going to get?

It seemed to us that most of the readers disliked how Han dealt with Chewie's death in The New Jedi Order series and the Legacy series was so fraught with emotional aftermaths that we decided to give the readers a rest from the pain of it all. And a lot of people like to grieve in private.
monocularman

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Re: Welcome some BCaT VIPs
Posted: May 20, 2008 11:48 AM   in response to: Sue Rostoni in response to: Sue Rostoni
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**SPOILER

It's more like two years in between, so Allana will
only be 6 or 7. We're putting the gap in there so
you won't have to read about the angst and grief our
main characters experience after Jacen's death, etc.*

What?! Why would you skip over the emotional aftermath of the death one of the EU's most pivotal characters? "Jacen's dead, so we can move on and forget him?" All told, about fifteen pages was spent dealing with the main characters', mostly Jaina's, reactions to Jacen's death, and that's all we're going to get?
jacenfan1


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Re: Welcome some BCaT VIPs
Posted: May 20, 2008 11:43 AM   in response to: Sue Rostoni in response to: Sue Rostoni
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I'll step in line first to read that Blog!!
POSSIBLE SPOILERS!!!!!

I must say as well that it was a good move to make the Allana move (you know what I mean). As a HUGE jacenfan it gives me more reasons to continue reading... as if I could ever stop.


NO more spoilers....

GhostofAnakin

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Re: Welcome some BCaT VIPs
Posted: May 20, 2008 11:41 AM   in response to: Sue Rostoni in response to: Sue Rostoni
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*It's more like two years in between, so Allana will only be 6 or 7. We're putting the gap in there so you won't have to read about the angst and grief our main characters experience after Jacen's death, etc. We want them to be able to recover a bit, off camera.
*

Ah, that's not so bad then. I was worried that we'd be seeing a Ben Skywalker in his early to mid-twenties or something.
Sue Rostoni


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Re: Welcome some BCaT VIPs
Posted: May 20, 2008 11:34 AM   in response to: jacenfan1 in response to: jacenfan1
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Sue, you really have me looking forward to you being able to talk about what's going on in the future. COMEON CONTRACT STUFF!!!! GET RESOLVED!!!!

I KNOW!!!! It's so frustrating!!!!!! There are so many good things coming up --- I'll have to wrap my fingers in duct tape to keep the spoilers under control. I may be forced to.... to........ BLOG!
jacenfan1


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Re: Welcome some BCaT VIPs
Posted: May 20, 2008 11:31 AM   in response to: Sue Rostoni in response to: Sue Rostoni
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Thanks so much for answering Sue!! You're the best!! Well, at least top five... Just kidding... you're the best! I love Luceno's novels. I also like the gap. I think it's good to have some down time as well to show that our heroes actually do have stretches (though small they are) of somewhat normal life when the galaxy isn't falling appart. The new book sounds great!

Sue, you really have me looking forward to you being able to talk about what's going on in the future. COMEON CONTRACT STUFF!!!! GET RESOLVED!!!!

Jacenfan1:(
Sue Rostoni


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Re: Welcome some BCaT VIPs
Posted: May 20, 2008 11:17 AM   in response to: GhostofAnakin in response to: GhostofAnakin
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*It's a stand-alone by Jim Luceno and is set a few years after the events of Legacy of the Force.

Sue, is there a reason you guys (whoever decides on the timeline) set the Millennium Falcon book so far after an existing series?

The reason I ask is, it seems with every subsequent book, a handful of years always pass between them. What that does, IMO, is age our heroes so fast, that before we know it, they're old.

**SPOILER**

For instance, "a few years" after LotF means that a character like Jaina will be closing in on 40. It just seems like yesterday that she was a teenager in the Yuuzhan Vong war, and only 3 series later she's middle aged? Allana is 4 or 5 in LotF. Now she'll be 10 or 11. That's quite a leap in age. Will we ever get filler novels, to fill in these huge gaps?*

It's more like two years in between, so Allana will only be 6 or 7. We're putting the gap in there so you won't have to read about the angst and grief our main characters experience after Jacen's death, etc. We want them to be able to recover a bit, off camera.

GhostofAnakin

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Re: Welcome some BCaT VIPs
Posted: May 20, 2008 11:10 AM   in response to: Sue Rostoni in response to: Sue Rostoni
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It's a stand-alone by Jim Luceno and is set a few years after the events of Legacy of the Force.

Sue, is there a reason you guys (whoever decides on the timeline) set the Millennium Falcon book so far after an existing series?

The reason I ask is, it seems with every subsequent book, a handful of years always pass between them. What that does, IMO, is age our heroes so fast, that before we know it, they're old.

**SPOILER**

For instance, "a few years" after LotF means that a character like Jaina will be closing in on 40. It just seems like yesterday that she was a teenager in the Yuuzhan Vong war, and only 3 series later she's middle aged? Allana is 4 or 5 in LotF. Now she'll be 10 or 11. That's quite a leap in age. Will we ever get filler novels, to fill in these huge gaps?


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