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Rogue_Follower


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Re: The Story of General Grievous
Posted: Feb 17, 2006 7:34 PM   in response to: Wari in response to: Wari
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>>>This from the man with a Kyle Katarn avatar. <<<

He's got my name, so what's not to like? ;)

And I've been playing as him for about a decade... :D

So Abel, do you have any mind-picture of what grown-up Darth Zannah looks like?

Wari


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Re: The Story of General Grievous
Posted: Feb 17, 2006 7:10 PM   in response to: Halagad in response to: Halagad
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*People just seemed to want a comic of Bane cutting people up, but JvS actually told a complete, tragic story about the loss of innocence, using the end of the war as a backdrop.
*

Now I dont feel so bad about Bane defeating Vader in my Tournament...its good to know theres more to him than just a lightsaber. But I guess I've always known that.
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Re: The Story of General Grievous
Posted: Feb 17, 2006 6:52 PM   in response to: Darth NTM in response to: Darth NTM
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Darth NTM:

Exactly! People just seemed to want a comic of Bane cutting people up, but JvS actually told a complete, tragic story about the loss of innocence, using the end of the war as a backdrop.

If the title is any indication, the upcoming Path of Destruction should have Bane slicin and dicin through a couple hundred pages. :)

*Anyway...with regards to the new info about Zannah.....knowing now that she used a red-bladed double lightsaber, and remembering that Maul got his design from a sith holocron and "and ancient sith of the past."

We all assumed Exar Kun....but why? Technically, I think Maul more likely based his weapon off Zannah's - they are the same colour after all (Kun's was blue) and Bane seems to have utiliised his own, new holocron for his reborn order.*

This did cross my mind while I was writing that section. Obviously, we all assumed it was Exar Kun because that was the only other Sith Lord we knew of at the time who had crafted a double-bladed lightsaber. But besides the reasons you mentioned, the glaring difference to me was that Kun's lightsaber is considerably more truncated that Maul's, which is actually two sabers grafted together.

I think if you cut Kun's saber in half, it would cease to function, whereas Maul would arguably have two lightsabers as a consequence (or at least one, as seen in The Phantom Menace). So yeah, it's more likely Zannah's design was inspired by Exar's and that Maul based his design off of Zannah's.

Take care,
Abel
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Re: The Story of General Grievous
Posted: Feb 17, 2006 6:23 PM   in response to: jarjarsmeagol in response to: jarjarsmeagol
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I'm not understanding any of this........Back to the topic.

I truely enjoyed Abels coverage of the HUk wars. We know that they have thier own worlds, but how exactly did that war begin?
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Re: The Story of General Grievous
Posted: Feb 17, 2006 6:05 PM   in response to: Halagad in response to: Halagad
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  • Did you mean Joe Corroney? Joe did the art for the Story of Grievous project. Tom Hodges did do amazing work for Karen's Mandalorian feature, though!
*
Oops. I'm getting mixed up here. I did mean Joe but Tom was great with Karen's article as well!
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Re: The Story of General Grievous
Posted: Feb 17, 2006 5:15 PM   in response to: Halagad in response to: Halagad
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On behalf of the continuity nerds playing Star Wars Galaxies, thank you for explaining the N-K Necrosis. I always pondered what his possible reasons for existence could be as I pounded his shiny metal posterior into the ground... actually it really isn't shiny. More like a flat grey really.
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Re: The Story of General Grievous
Posted: Feb 17, 2006 4:15 PM   in response to: Rogue_Follower in response to: Rogue_Follower
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?Suzanne?:

Sounds great - I really liked the broad range of EU references in the Droids article, so I can imagine what you mean. Is Jocasta Nu's Apprentice the same one as in Dark Lord?

No. There is another... B-)

Rogue_Follower:

*That phrase is deep enough for me... *

This from the man with a Kyle Katarn avatar.
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Re: The Story of General Grievous
Posted: Feb 17, 2006 3:36 PM   in response to: Halagad in response to: Halagad
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>>>Of course, Kyle's "let's blow poodoo up" attitude kind of defies a deep character analysis.<<<

That phrase is deep enough for me... :D ;)
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Re: The Story of General Grievous
Posted: Feb 17, 2006 12:14 PM   in response to: jSarek in response to: jSarek
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jSarek:

As did mine in Bakersfield; I was actually there when they got shelved around 6:00pm yesterday. So it seems that, at least in CA, people can start picking them up.

You heard the man, Californians! Get out to Ralph's or Albertson's and snatch up your copy. ;)

Read the article, too. It took me a bit to realize that this wasn't done in your usual style, telling an engaging history through the deft tying together of dozens of references and continuity spackle into a cohesive whole; it sounds like that's what Lord of War is going to be for.

Yeah, you're right on the money. While the main piece Unknown Soldier bulls-eyes Grievous' character development, Lord of War is a bit more flexible and whimsical, for lack of a better word.

Like I said, doing justice to a major movie villain who's supposed to be the prototype for Anakin Skywalker was a big undertaking, and I wanted to get it right. That meant focusing on Grievous in a less casual way than I had with other characters, like say Grand Admiral Grunger or Kyle Katarn. Of course, Kyle's "let's blow poodoo up" attitude kind of defies a deep character analysis. :) But if I'd had a few thousand words for, say, Grand Admiral Teshik, Alpha-O2, or Jeng Droga like I did for Grievous, the result probably would've been something similar for those characters.

No, this article was written by Abel the Literature/Philosophy major, not Abel the Biological Star Wars Encyclopedia; sure, there are some obscure continuity tie ins (the Yam'rii, Abbaji, Phlut Design Systems, etc.), but the thrust was in taking a fairly one-dimensional villain and giving his story pathos and tragedy.

Bingo.

*Once I figured out what I was reading, I shifted gears and had a very enjoyable read; you made me interested in a character whose history I was only reading to see what obscure info was tied into his tale. *

Thanks jSarek. Unknown Soldier was a unique opportunity to do something special. It was great doing something new and a little different from my usual fair. Lord of War is definitely the place to catch the plethora of refs across the SW spectrum that I usually do.

Anyway, you'll be happy to know I finally sent out one of those little postcards that come with Insider, so I should actually be reading your Hyperspace pieces in the not-too-distant future.

:O At long last? I'm shocked, shocked! :D Thanks for your support!
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Re: The Story of General Grievous
Posted: Feb 17, 2006 3:24 AM   in response to: Halagad in response to: Halagad
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+...the story of the three cousin protagonists is complex and unpredictable.
If Matt Stover is the literary spearhead of the Star Wars novels, Darko Macan executed the same role first in the comics.+

Exactly! People just seemed to want a comic of Bane cutting people up, but JvS actually told a complete, tragic story about the loss of innocence, using the end of the war as a backdrop.

Anyway...with regards to the new info about Zannah.....knowing now that she used a red-bladed double lightsaber, and remembering that Maul got his design from a sith holocron and "and ancient sith of the past."

We all assumed Exar Kun....but why? Technically, I think Maul more likely based his weapon off Zannah's - they are the same colour after all (Kun's was blue) and Bane seems to have utiliised his own, new holocron for his reborn order.

;)
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Re: The Story of General Grievous
Posted: Feb 17, 2006 2:20 AM   in response to: Halagad in response to: Halagad
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...Incidentally, I've been working on an Endnotes for Droids and the Force as a test run for the Story of Grievous Endnotes, so expect that pretty soon as well. ;)
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Re: The Story of General Grievous
Posted: Feb 17, 2006 2:17 AM   in response to: ≈Suzanne&... in response to: ≈Suzanne&...
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joe corroney:

Thanks!!! But without flaw?...meh... flaws are usually all I can seem to focus on after I turn in a project. Usually, right after a deadline I'm always shouting " If only there was always more time!"

I guess we all feel that way, huh?

Abel: "Oh, I should've referenced...! Shoot, I forgot the...! Aw, I can't believe I did that...!" :)

?Suzanne?:

I've just finished both the Droids article (which I never made the time to read before) and the General Grievous Insider Supplement (I won't get the actual Insider for weeks...).

Hey, awesome! Thanks for taking the time to read em and comment here.

I really enjoyed them both. The style was quite different to what I was expecting, with the Droids article being more like a newspaper opinion piece (but I think that was intended so that's not criticism ) and even the GG Supplement had that feel about it, although there was a lot more information than I was expecting.

Stylistically, the Droids and the Force piece is probably the most personal Star Wars piece I've ever had published: a bit off the wall thematically and very thinky. That was a fun one to do.

I tried to pack Lord of War with as much of the info that I would've liked to have put into the main Insider article as I could, and then some. Necrosis was a last minute addition that I ended up really getting into. :)

Learning about both what led up to GG's situation in the film - and what happened him and his belongings afterwards was very interesting.

Lord of War has the barest of summaries of Grievous' character arc from Unknown Soldier, since I didn't want to spoil folks who might read the supplement first. But I'm glad it was enough to center the reader.

I had the same reaction as Wari when I first read about GG's fighter, but before I finished the article I saw his follow up post so I realised I just had to be patient.

With some of the these projects where I know I'm dealing in sections, I sometimes like to drop hints that give that make the reader go ?:|. I call it the Pulp Fiction syndrome.

Now I'm inspired to go and read the Dark Forces articles even though I've never been an RPGer or a fan of KK.

Please do! They're essentially biographies with rpg stats tacked onto the end, so if you liked D&F or Grievous, you should be able to enjoy the series without a hitch.

Thanks again!

Take care,
Abel
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Re: The Story of General Grievous
Posted: Feb 17, 2006 2:09 AM   in response to: jSarek in response to: jSarek
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Suzanne:

*Now I'm inspired to go and read the Dark Forces
articles even though I've never been an RPGer or a
fan of KK. :D*

They're worth it; the RPG stats are nicely
self-contained, so you can skip over them pretty
easily, and the articles contain a great deal of cool
tie-ins to stuff from the whole gamut of Star Wars,
even if you're not a fan of Dark Forces itself (for
instance, you get to learn a little about the fates
of Guri and Dash Rendar, the true identity of "The
Prophetess" lurking in Mos Eisley in Episode IV, one
of the inventors of the Alpha Red bioweapon, and who
Jocasta Nu's apprentice was). I definitely recommend
them.


Sounds great - I really liked the broad range of EU references in the Droids article, so I can imagine what you mean. Is Jocasta Nu's Apprentice the same one as in +Dark Lord+?
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Re: The Story of General Grievous
Posted: Feb 17, 2006 12:04 AM   in response to: ≈Suzanne&... in response to: ≈Suzanne&...
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Suzanne:

Now I'm inspired to go and read the Dark Forces articles even though I've never been an RPGer or a fan of KK. :D

They're worth it; the RPG stats are nicely self-contained, so you can skip over them pretty easily, and the articles contain a great deal of cool tie-ins to stuff from the whole gamut of Star Wars, even if you're not a fan of Dark Forces itself (for instance, you get to learn a little about the fates of Guri and Dash Rendar, the true identity of "The Prophetess" lurking in Mos Eisley in Episode IV, one of the inventors of the Alpha Red bioweapon, and who Jocasta Nu's apprentice was). I definitely recommend them.
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Re: The Story of General Grievous
Posted: Feb 16, 2006 11:58 PM   in response to: jSarek in response to: jSarek
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Anyway, you'll be happy to know I finally sent out one of those little postcards that come with Insider, so I should actually be reading your Hyperspace pieces in the not-too-distant future. ;-)
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Re: The Story of General Grievous
Posted: Feb 16, 2006 11:58 PM   in response to: Halagad in response to: Halagad
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Halagad:

As did mine in Bakersfield; I was actually there when they got shelved around 6:00pm yesterday. So it seems that, at least in CA, people can start picking them up. :-)

Read the article, too. It took me a bit to realize that this wasn't done in your usual style, telling an engaging history through the deft tying together of dozens of references and continuity spackle into a cohesive whole; it sounds like that's what Lord of War is going to be for. No, this article was written by Abel the Literature/Philosophy major, not Abel the Biological Star Wars Encyclopedia; sure, there are some obscure continuity tie ins (the Yam'rii, Abbaji, Phlut Design Systems, etc.), but the thrust was in taking a fairly one-dimensional villain and giving his story pathos and tragedy. Once I figured out what I was reading, I shifted gears and had a very enjoyable read; you made me interested in a character whose history I was only reading to see what obscure info was tied into his tale. ;-)
Halagad


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Re: The Story of General Grievous
Posted: Feb 16, 2006 11:25 PM   in response to: Wari in response to: Wari
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Wari:

I felt the same way after I shaved my Mothers head for the first time. But I'm more confident in my work now.

Woah, actually got a good belly laugh out of that one. :^O
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Re: The Story of General Grievous
Posted: Feb 16, 2006 11:16 PM   in response to: Wari in response to: Wari
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I've just finished both the Droids article (which I never made the time to read before) and the General Grievous Insider Supplement (I won't get the actual Insider for weeks...).

I really enjoyed them both. The style was quite different to what I was expecting, with the Droids article being more like a newspaper opinion piece (but I think that was intended so that's not criticism ;)) and even the GG Supplement had that feel about it, although there was a lot more information than I was expecting.

Learning about both what led up to GG's situation in the film - and what happened him and his belongings afterwards was very interesting. I had the same reaction as Wari when I first read about GG's fighter, but before I finished the article I saw his follow up post so I realised I just had to be patient. ;)

Now I'm inspired to go and read the Dark Forces articles even though I've never been an RPGer or a fan of KK. :D
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Re: The Story of General Grievous
Posted: Feb 16, 2006 11:05 PM   in response to: Joe Corroney in response to: Joe Corroney
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+flaws are usually all I can seem to focus on after I turn in a project. +

I felt the same way after I shaved my Mothers head for the first time. But I'm more confident in my work now.:|
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Re: The Story of General Grievous
Posted: Feb 16, 2006 9:50 PM   in response to: nawaraven104 in response to: nawaraven104
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Fantastic work, Abel and Joe. Can't wait to see
e what you guys come up with next!

Thanks! Me too! :)

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