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Mrduce1018

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Re: Books, Comics, & Television VIPs 3.0
Posted: Feb 27, 2010 10:02 AM   in response to: DarthMRN in response to: DarthMRN
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For the sake of arguement. Can we just agree that it goes the against the rules/contracts/agreements that Sue operates by? You had a good suggestion and wanted Sue to see, but she can't. It may not make sense to you why she can't, but the fact is, she can't. It seems like this is going around in circles.

It falls under the unsolicited agreement and for legal reason cannot look at it for reasons of copyright or trademark. It is what it is.

Sucks, because many of us fans have great ideas and we have to wait for the people that work with Sue to approve it on thier terms as they come up with them. I think harping on it or beating to death will only create an enviroment where Sue will not post as often or keep us up to date the way she does.

My suggestion, let it go. Accept that she cannot look at that type of unsolicited material and move on to other things she can talk about.

Just my 2 cents
DarthMRN


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Re: Books, Comics, & Television VIPs 3.0
Posted: Feb 27, 2010 9:09 AM   in response to: Nick Fel in response to: Nick Fel
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Why wouldn't it be? Owning what you create seems logical to me

But then why doesn't this same logic apply to inventions and as you say, trademarks? Why would one need to register patents and trademarks for some creations, yet ones original ideas are automatically copyrighted? It makes no sense that one could claim legal ownership of something without documenting it first. Not least because not every original creation comes with a stamp of when it was created.

From what I've understood so far, whoever created the guide suggestion linked on the last page has a legal claim to all original ideas in that suggestion, in spite of the suggestion itself being illegal and maybe not even provably made by him or her. And further in spite of other kinds of intellectual property requiring explicit registration. As a result, Sue cannot even view the suggestion.

IMO that sounds rather skewed, yes.
twinsuns1


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Re: Books, Comics, & Television VIPs 3.0
Posted: Feb 27, 2010 8:31 AM   in response to: The Broox in response to: The Broox
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I apologize if this is the wrong place for this but what happened to Dark Times? It seems to have disappeared off Dark Horse's schedule. There have been numerous delays previously but now it is gone.
Nick Fel


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Re: Books, Comics, & Television VIPs 3.0
Posted: Feb 27, 2010 6:57 AM   in response to: DarthMRN in response to: DarthMRN
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Why wouldn't it be? Owning what you create seems logical to me :)
DarthMRN


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Re: Books, Comics, & Television VIPs 3.0
Posted: Feb 27, 2010 3:07 AM   in response to: Nick Fel in response to: Nick Fel
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Hm. That would explain it, then.

Do you have any idea why this is so?
Nick Fel


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Re: Books, Comics, & Television VIPs 3.0
Posted: Feb 27, 2010 2:49 AM   in response to: DarthMRN in response to: DarthMRN
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Well, sure. But if I never copyrighted it, could I still make a claim to it? That's what I don't get.

You don't "copyright" things, it's not like registering a trademark. If you create something original, you own the copyright automatically unless you sign it away.
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Re: Books, Comics, & Television VIPs 3.0
Posted: Feb 27, 2010 2:03 AM   in response to: The Broox in response to: The Broox
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*See the problem? *

Well, sure. But if I never copyrighted it, could I still make a claim to it? That's what I don't get.

Also, wouldn't it take a gross amount of similarities to hold up in court anyway? A single element, or even several single elements generic to sci-fi, and I would have a claim?

Thirdly, I've seen Firefly's Serenity in SW. I've seen KotOR's version of Romeo and Juliet. I often hear the Yuuzhan Vong accused of being rippoffs of Trek's Borg. GL is apparently trying to allude heavily to old serials with his TCW project. No problem. Yet I can make something basically illegal, and still hold a valid claim in court?

I get a desire to stay safe, but it baffles me that the law would require such caution from our VIP's to begin with.
The Broox


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Re: Books, Comics, & Television VIPs 3.0
Posted: Feb 26, 2010 10:39 PM   in response to: DarthMRN in response to: DarthMRN
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*This is absolutely normal. Nobody will look at
unsolicited ideas because it means, if they do
something similar in the future, you could
potentially turn round an sue them for using your
idea and not paying you*

If this is true, it makes copyright law sound rather
skewed.

If I write a fanfic obviously based on SW, without
being licensed, how can I hold any claim to the idea?
How can I make claims to something that wasn't mine
to begin with? And why would the law permit me such a
claim?


Technically speaking fanfic is illegal if Lucasfilm wanted to pursue it they could and have a right to have it removed. That they don't is a indicator of two things: they recognize the futility of it, and they recognize that doing so would result in a negative public image. That is not to say they never go after people, as soon as someone attempts to make a profit the lawyers come knocking. Just look at Another Hope.

This sounds applicable if I had copyrighted something
first, and then LF decided to mercilessly rip from
it. But with SW, I could never do such a thing to
begin with.

But what if it was just a plot element. Not something specifically SW but something that could happen in most science fiction? See the problem?
The Broox


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Re: Books, Comics, & Television VIPs 3.0
Posted: Feb 26, 2010 10:32 PM   in response to: IllogicalRogue2 in response to: IllogicalRogue2
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*> > This is absolutely normal. Nobody will look at
unsolicited ideas because it means, if they do
something s...........................you sign a
contract saying it is - it just means you can't
pursue it without their permission.*

I'm confused, people were suggesting an Atlas for
years, and now we have one, how is this any
different? They suggested an Essential Guide to
Politics. So would it have been different had he
just posted it here instead? I mean that was the
point of the link IMO- "+We need an Essential Guide
to SW Politics+" and the suggestion was on the
same level as those for an Atlas.


Generally the way it works is that the VIPs can read and respond to general suggestions such as "A Essential Atlas would be soooooooo cooooooool". However they can't read/respond to a poster who goes more in depth and provides commentary on what the book should contain or how it should be structured.

It is a bit of a gray line but it is a line none the less.
Master Optician


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Re: Books, Comics, & Television VIPs 3.0
Posted: Feb 26, 2010 3:30 PM   in response to: Nick Fel in response to: Nick Fel
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This may have been asked before, and I'm sure that if it was, somebody will point it out...

Sue, do you collect opinions from posters here and take them with you to the boardroom at times? Just curious if our ramblings make it to your meetings on occasion, and if they have any bearing on novel development...
Nick Fel


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Re: Books, Comics, & Television VIPs 3.0
Posted: Feb 26, 2010 2:01 PM   in response to: DarthMRN in response to: DarthMRN
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Welcome to the world of copyright. I won't claim to understand it fully, but I know the publishers are essentially covering their behinds by flat out not looking at anything anyone has written.

Still, it makes perfect sense to me that LFL doesn't own something just because you base it on Star Wars - it's still your work. You can't sell it for profit either of course ;)
DarthMRN


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Re: Books, Comics, & Television VIPs 3.0
Posted: Feb 26, 2010 1:34 PM   in response to: Nick Fel in response to: Nick Fel
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This is absolutely normal. Nobody will look at unsolicited ideas because it means, if they do something similar in the future, you could potentially turn round an sue them for using your idea and not paying you

If this is true, it makes copyright law sound rather skewed.

If I write a fanfic obviously based on SW, without being licensed, how can I hold any claim to the idea? How can I make claims to something that wasn't mine to begin with? And why would the law permit me such a claim?

This sounds applicable if I had copyrighted something first, and then LF decided to mercilessly rip from it. But with SW, I could never do such a thing to begin with.

And even if something I made had been copyrighted by me, SW material still draws heavy and obvious inspiration from tons of presumably copyrighted stuff as it is. How could fanwork make a stronger claim than those?

I believe you if you say it, but then I also gotta wonder what the legislators were smoking.
IllogicalRogue2


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Re: Books, Comics, & Television VIPs 3.0
Posted: Feb 26, 2010 11:42 AM   in response to: jason max in response to: jason max
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ALSO - In hopes of preventing someone from asking the
incredibly stupid question -

Fate of the Jedi VII is not coming out before Vortex,
no matter what Amazon UK says. They are still using
some outdated infomation.


:^O

Cause you KNOW someone was going to ask ;)
IllogicalRogue2


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Re: Books, Comics, & Television VIPs 3.0
Posted: Feb 26, 2010 11:41 AM   in response to: Nick Fel in response to: Nick Fel
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This is absolutely normal. Nobody will look at
unsolicited ideas because it means, if they do
something s...........................you sign a
contract saying it is - it just means you can't
pursue it without their permission.

I'm confused, people were suggesting an Atlas for years, and now we have one, how is this any different? They suggested an Essential Guide to Politics. So would it have been different had he just posted it here instead? I mean that was the point of the link IMO- "We need an Essential Guide to SW Politics" and the suggestion was on the same level as those for an Atlas.

To me the only difference is when it's an employee who brings it to the right person it gets done. This guy was trying to get someone to champion the idea like they did with the Atlas. Heck Fans were even PICKED to help with that one.
jason max

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Re: Books, Comics, & Television VIPs 3.0
Posted: Feb 26, 2010 11:22 AM   in response to: jason max in response to: jason max
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ALSO - In hopes of preventing someone from asking the incredibly stupid question -

Fate of the Jedi VII is not coming out before Vortex, no matter what Amazon UK says. They are still using some outdated infomation.
jason max

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Re: Books, Comics, & Television VIPs 3.0
Posted: Feb 26, 2010 10:12 AM   in response to: Nick Fel in response to: Nick Fel
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Sue - Can you reveal any of the authors you have lined up for 2012?
Nick Fel


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Re: Books, Comics, & Television VIPs 3.0
Posted: Feb 26, 2010 12:47 AM   in response to: Zee Zee in response to: Zee Zee
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Are you prohibited from taking inspiration from fan ideas? It is not like the creators own any part of it that might muddy the legal waters, is it?

This is absolutely normal. Nobody will look at unsolicited ideas because it means, if they do something similar in the future, you could potentially turn round an sue them for using your idea and not paying you. That it pertains to Star Wars doesn't make the idea theirs, until you sign a contract saying it is - it just means you can't pursue it without their permission.
Zee Zee


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Re: Books, Comics, & Television VIPs 3.0
Posted: Feb 26, 2010 12:07 AM   in response to: IllogicalRogue2 in response to: IllogicalRogue2
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Re: release schedules

(Unofficial) release schedules can be found at www.swbooks.co.uk for US (2010 & 2011), UK (2010), and (2010).
IllogicalRogue2


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Re: Books, Comics, & Television VIPs 3.0
Posted: Feb 25, 2010 9:44 PM   in response to: GreenLightsaber24 in response to: GreenLightsaber24
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*Jeez...gotta say, I didn't think my adult comment would get that much backlash (no pun intended). I was only (okay, mostly) joking... *

:^O

It's all good. (Just not a popular idea :D ) There are some artists though who have stuff out there I'm sure ;)
DarthMRN


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Re: Books, Comics, & Television VIPs 3.0
Posted: Feb 25, 2010 9:43 PM   in response to: Sue Rostoni in response to: Sue Rostoni
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*Just so you know, I won't be looking at this -- it's falls under the "unsolicited" title -- stuff we can't look at. *

This sounds odd...

Are you prohibited from taking inspiration from fan ideas? It is not like the creators own any part of it that might muddy the legal waters, is it?

Thought that was the big caveat about fanstuff: LucasFilm owns everything with a SW logo -official or not.

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