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Re: The Old Republic: Fatal Alliance SPOILERS
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Nov 8, 2010 9:53 AM
in response to: IllogicalRogue2
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Thanks funny Vandaronas, I was the same- off and on, but I had the opposite experience it was the start that was confusing for me and the end less so. But on second read it was less confusing.
On EUCast I pondered if it was due to my start and stop approach, the fact that it was a jump off point for this part of the timeline, or that if I needed to know more about the characters first to really delve in. I think knowing about the characters made it easier to get into it on my second time through.
Oh the start definitely confused me too. If you go back into the Questions thread, I posted there asking what the heck was going on after I read the first couple chapters. I still don't really understand everything that's going on... hopefully Deceived and/or other novels will clear things up, because I won't be playing the game.
Someday I will read it again and it will likely make more sense. For now, though, I have other catching up to do. In the last two weeks, I've almost caught up with the comics that I've been buying. Finally read Legacy 49 and 50, and Invasion: Rescues 1-5. Still have Blood Ties 1-3 and Knight Errant 1 to go. Force Unleashed 2 is sitting on my shelf, and Vortex is right around the corner. And that doesn't even count everything else I have left... Dark Times TPBs, Rebellion, TPBs, KotOR TPBs, a couple omnibi, Clone Wars digests, 6 other novels (Han Solo trilogy, Revenge of the Sith "trilogy").... so many books, so little time! |
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Re: The Old Republic: Fatal Alliance SPOILERS
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Nov 5, 2010 12:56 PM
in response to: AchillesAndTort...
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still we are talking about thousands of species, not just the human race.. you'd figure that some would be more advanced-and advance faster-than others..
again I'm nick picking but 3500 years + 1000+ species and a very stagnant technological growth doesn't make much sense.
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Re: The Old Republic: Fatal Alliance SPOILERS
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Nov 5, 2010 12:45 AM
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Indeed. After a little research I've discovered that both the Hyperdrive, Blasters and Holocrons were around during the birth of the Republic, so that means they had decent engines, laser technology and the ability to communicate via holograms. It's a simple extrapolation to assume they had quite a few technological devices, too. Really, when I read TOTJ I was suprised by the technology of their ships were so old looking, and that they still used some sort of scroll or flimsi paper for writing on, instead of a datapad.
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Re: The Old Republic: Fatal Alliance SPOILERS
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Nov 3, 2010 7:30 PM
in response to: Cayleer
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I find it interesting that technology hasn't really moved forward THAT much since the old republic to the 'current' SW era.
granted its fictional and all that Jazz but if you take our recent technology growth, and extrapolate it..
wouldn't you think, if say the Human race is around for another 100,000 or so years -without killing ourselves and we're still growing out tech/knowledge-we'd be far ahead of anything SW has to offer?
My point is it seems as if the old Republic was the ';Renaissance' of Technology and that 3000+ after everything became stagnant....doesn't make much sense to me..
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My explanation is that technology will follow this pattern: after intelligent life evolves, technology advances at a snail's pace (approx. 10000 BCE - 1800 CE on Earth). Then for several hundred (maybe thousand) years there are quick advancements in technology, culminating with the hyperdrive. After that technology resumes the snail's pace, but at a much higher level.
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Re: The Old Republic: Fatal Alliance SPOILERS
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Nov 3, 2010 12:23 PM
in response to: IllogicalRogue2
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I REALLY enjoyed this novel, more so because I had no preconceived favorite characters and could just read a SW novel without really 'caring' for a better word..
Is it me or are all the 'super universe killing/end of time/life as we know it' technology and weapons 'old' in regard to the SW mythos?
I find it interesting that technology hasn't really moved forward THAT much since the old republic to the 'current' SW era.
granted its fictional and all that Jazz but if you take our recent technology growth, and extrapolate it..
wouldn't you think, if say the Human race is around for another 100,000 or so years -without killing ourselves and we're still growing out tech/knowledge-we'd be far ahead of anything SW has to offer?
My point is it seems as if the old Republic was the ';Renaissance' of Technology and that 3000+ after everything became stagnant....doesn't make much sense to me..
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my crappy rant aside, this was one of the most enjoyable SW novel that I can remember... the ending was a bit MEH, but it was good.. |
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Re: The Old Republic: Fatal Alliance SPOILERS
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Oct 31, 2010 10:59 AM
in response to: vandaronas
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I read the final 80 pages of this book last night, 2 months after I started it. No, that doesn't say anything about the quality of the book (which I quite enjoyed), and much more about my busy life. Sigh. I was almost caught up with Star Wars books, and now I've fallen behind again!!
Anyways, I thought the novel was very well done. Very interesting and entertaining. And, whether or not this means anything, I didn't feel like I lost any of the details in the months long hiatus that I took in the middle of reading it. I still knew what was going on, and was still interested in finding out what happened.
The Dao Stryver revelation was... strange. In fact, that last chapter (epilogue) was entirely confusing. The few paragraphs where the actual reveal happened had me so confused about who was even speaking at the time that I had to read them over and over before I figured out that Stryver was the "she" that was spoken of. I can't for the life of me figure out how that served the story other than a gotcha! moment. The quotes around "Jet Nebula" were much more interesting to me, as they indicated that he was not who he seemed. That did turn out to be the case, but since I have no idea who Jeke is, it doesn't mean much. I wonder if this will get more play in Deceived or a future Sean Williams novel (or the game?).
So in any case, I feel like the novel was excellent overall, with a confusing and perhaps unnecessary epilogue.
Thanks funny Vandaronas, I was the same- off and on, but I had the opposite experience it was the start that was confusing for me and the end less so. But on second read it was less confusing.
On EUCast I pondered if it was due to my start and stop approach, the fact that it was a jump off point for this part of the timeline, or that if I needed to know more about the characters first to really delve in. I think knowing about the characters made it easier to get into it on my second time through. |
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Re: The Old Republic: Fatal Alliance SPOILERS
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Oct 25, 2010 6:38 AM
in response to: IllogicalRogue2
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I read the final 80 pages of this book last night, 2 months after I started it. No, that doesn't say anything about the quality of the book (which I quite enjoyed), and much more about my busy life. Sigh. I was almost caught up with Star Wars books, and now I've fallen behind again!!
Anyways, I thought the novel was very well done. Very interesting and entertaining. And, whether or not this means anything, I didn't feel like I lost any of the details in the months long hiatus that I took in the middle of reading it. I still knew what was going on, and was still interested in finding out what happened.
The Dao Stryver revelation was... strange. In fact, that last chapter (epilogue) was entirely confusing. The few paragraphs where the actual reveal happened had me so confused about who was even speaking at the time that I had to read them over and over before I figured out that Stryver was the "she" that was spoken of. I can't for the life of me figure out how that served the story other than a gotcha! moment. The quotes around "Jet Nebula" were much more interesting to me, as they indicated that he was not who he seemed. That did turn out to be the case, but since I have no idea who Jeke is, it doesn't mean much. I wonder if this will get more play in Deceived or a future Sean Williams novel (or the game?).
So in any case, I feel like the novel was excellent overall, with a confusing and perhaps unnecessary epilogue.
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Re: The Old Republic: Fatal Alliance SPOILERS
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Oct 8, 2010 2:52 AM
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This is my guesswork, but The Force Unleashed II is dedicated to one Robin Potanin.
Wasn't there a Potanin in Fatal Alliance ?
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Re: The Old Republic: Fatal Alliance SPOILERS
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Oct 8, 2010 1:16 AM
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This was a pretty good story, though I couldn't stand that Sith girl Eldon Ax. I wish Shigar and Larin could have ended up together. They make a cute couple I thought, and I love romance in my books.  But I guess it wouldn't have worked out. I don't know if the Jedi Order was still forbidding relationships at this time, and since he's a Jedi and she's a soldier it probably wouldn't have worked. And I can't believe Ula got away scot free with all the double crossing he was doing. |
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Re: The Old Republic: Fatal Alliance SPOILERS
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Sep 6, 2010 12:59 PM
in response to: YodaBauer2442
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I have a quick question:
I understand that this was the book where Sean Williams held an eBay auction, where the winner got their name Star Wars-ified and made into a character in the book (and the money went to charity; I think for Australia wildfire relief).
Which character was the fan-named one?
A few characters have real-life-ish names (Cinzia = Cynthia, Jet/Jeke = Jake, Larin = Lauren, Chratis = Chris or Kurtis, Tassaa = Tessa). There are a lot of options, but does anyone know which is the fan-named one?
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Re: The Old Republic: Fatal Alliance SPOILERS
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Aug 20, 2010 7:44 AM
in response to: Life Is The Path
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I most likely won't be buying the game because I have a Mac. But TFU I was eventually released for Mac, so I'm holding out. I honestly don't know about a novelization of the game because there are 8 classes that will all have their own story line. That'd be a lot to fit in one novel.
The best part of the news of the third novel is that Drew Karpyshyn is writing it!
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Re: The Old Republic: Fatal Alliance SPOILERS
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Aug 20, 2010 1:55 AM
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Your answer certainly cleared up some matters for me, thank you, and you have at least partially answered my question.Let me explain. Now, I won't be buying the game (purely because it won't fit my laptop) so I won't be able to experience the game story first hand. I want to know, first off, if Fatal Alliance tells the story of the game (which you've said it doesn't) and secondly where can I find and read the story of the game. To be honest, I'm not really expecting an answer that isn't 'read the synopsis on the Wook'.
EDIT: There's been a third Old Republic tie in novel announced, so that may, hopefully, be what I'm seeking. And if not, still a welcome announcement.
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Re: The Old Republic: Fatal Alliance SPOILERS
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Aug 18, 2010 6:27 PM
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I understand the Jedi and Sith role in the book. I'm more interested in what's the motive of Dao Strvyer and Jet Nebula. I'm thinking more of the line that the Mandalorians and Smugglers are more than just allies in the game. But they have their own agendas too. As I seen from reading the book. Who knows, the Jedi and Sith might have to team up in the MMO to complete some mission. It will just like the book, a fatal alliance.
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Re: The Old Republic: Fatal Alliance SPOILERS
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Aug 18, 2010 7:43 AM
in response to: Life Is The Path
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Yes this novel was a tie-in, as will be Deceived when it comes out. But I think the game is designed to tell it's story on it's own right. The creators of the game keep promoting that TOR will have a large emphasis on story, so if they can't even get you to understand the galaxy you're playing in then they've already failed at their goal. So I'm thinking they will try pretty hard at helping you get into character as as quickly as possible.
That being said this novel gave me a decent sense of what things are like at the time. Honestly, everything functions in the galaxy like it does in any other novel from any other time period. The Jedi are the good guys who fight the bad guys, in this case Sith. I'm not saying the book was boring because nothing was different. Actually it was very exciting and I can't wait for the paper back to come out so I can buy it. I'm just saying that it wasn't hard to understand at all. I hope that helps, if I didn't answer your question let me know.
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Re: The Old Republic: Fatal Alliance SPOILERS
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Aug 18, 2010 1:53 AM
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Before I ask, I should say I haven't read the book yet and am hoping to avoid spoilers. Sorry for tying your hands this way, but I hope you understand where I'm coming from.
Now, my understanding of this book was that it was the novelization of the game, but apparently it's more of a tie-in, like the way Hard Contact was? And if that's true, could someone let me know how I'd be able to follow the story of the game when it comes out? Will there be a book or something, or will I have to read the synopsis on the Wook?
Thanks for your time.
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Re: The Old Republic: Fatal Alliance SPOILERS
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Aug 16, 2010 2:17 PM
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This was a great novel. Sean Williams is one of the best new writers for Star Wars lately. The Stryver revelation was a shocker to me. I'm more intrigued in finding out more on Jet Nebula. An I would love to learn more about some of the members of the Dark Counsel. An like some of the others said, I can't wait for Deceived to come now.
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Re: The Old Republic: Fatal Alliance SPOILERS
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I've just never had a DP lie to me before.
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Re: The Old Republic: Fatal Alliance SPOILERS
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Aug 6, 2010 11:22 AM
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And yes, I too was completely shocked by the Stryver revelation(s)... and immediately after the shock I was totally grinning at the also-brilliant twist(s) there.  I love it when authors can still surprise you (with a GOOD surprise ), even when the book is about to end.
Ok, apparently I'm the only one who can't for the life of me figure out what was so special about Stryver's 'revalations'.
All I read into it was learning a little more about who the character was. I didn't find any of it particularly shocking.
Would someone please tell me what I missed?
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Re: The Old Republic: Fatal Alliance SPOILERS
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Aug 5, 2010 10:52 PM
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Yes, I thought I knew who this Stryver was . . . but I was deceived.
This book has me pumped for TFU2 as Sean Williams is a fantastic author and for Kemp"s Deceived because this time period has proved to be very exciting!
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Re: The Old Republic: Fatal Alliance SPOILERS
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Aug 4, 2010 8:30 PM
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Just finished reading this about 10 minutes ago and I must say that I was very impressed. I had already placed Williams' novelization of The Force Unleashed on my personal list of favorite Star Wars books, but his impeccable handling of the large cast of main characters and equally complex plotlines-- combined with the somewhat-creepy, intriguing, and definitely unique mutual enemy-- was brilliant.
And yes, I too was completely shocked by the Stryver revelation(s)... and immediately after the shock I was totally grinning at the also-brilliant twist(s) there. I love it when authors can still surprise you (with a GOOD surprise ), even when the book is about to end.
In my opinion, Fatal Alliance is one of the best SW novels we've had for a while. I can't wait to read his novelization of TFU2, and I dearly hope that the powers that be will continue to ask him to write Star Wars novels in the future, as well!
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