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Valiento


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Re: Welcome some BCaT VIPs
Posted: Jun 4, 2004 11:44 PM   in response to: Ghent in response to: Ghent
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Pabawan never brought up the bumping heads thing in Insider article, and I think he's admit it was a joke on this forum before (He himself is known to be facetious and sarcastic in his answers, as he seems to find alot of fun out of even the most silliest ideas).

Is that right Pabawan? Your article in the last Insider, seemed poke fun at alot of things including at the expense of certain types of fans.

So I'm not sure where you heard he sees it as a serious opinion.

On another note, the actor who played the bumping heads stormtrooper in ANH was taller than the actor that played Jango Fett in AOTC, last I read. Also the bumping heads stormtrooper was taller than the other stormtroopers around him.

On a side note having had the chance to try on one of those helmets before (at least a replica), and it was difficult to see out of (because peripheral vision was impaired), would that make me a Jango Fett clone, because the helmets aren't designed with good eyesight in mind?
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Re: Welcome some BCaT VIPs
Posted: Jun 4, 2004 11:36 PM   in response to: Ghent in response to: Ghent
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Lucas laughed when he said it, so yes he was being facetious.

And there is no doubt in your mind that he was just relaying a serious opinion of his, while laughing?

Obviously Pabawan, who, if I understand correctly, has close contacts with Lucas, seems to consider this more as a serious opinion of Lucas' than a prank of his. So at the very least, his intentions with that statement, seem to be very contoversial.
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Re: Welcome some BCaT VIPs
Posted: Jun 4, 2004 11:28 PM   in response to: Ghent in response to: Ghent
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Where as psycholgical traits can be passed onto offspring. Accidents caused from being too tall, and wearing a mask that blocks one's vision is not a genetic trait. Unless one argues that a child is born with a mask on, and pass the genetic trait of growing a mask onto their offspring.

Ok, I see where your coming from. Good Point. However behaving similarly as your "parent" would, were he wearing a vision impairing helmet, can be related to genetics though, can't it? I mean the genes of some people would naturally make them more vigilant concerning their steps, than certain other individuals, if someone all of a sudden tucked a vision impairing device such as a helmet onto your head.
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Re: Welcome some BCaT VIPs
Posted: Jun 4, 2004 11:21 PM   in response to: Ghent in response to: Ghent
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There is also the author's prerogative to change his mind if he didn't like his previous ideas, and thought something else would be better.

I can understand that, as a matter of fact, I believed for a long time after the release of AOTC (and I still do) that human recruits were also existent among the Stormtrooper ranks (although almost exclusively trained to be in command positions). So in essence, I shouldn't be all that frustrated with this new development. But now it seems like Lucas is drastically changing his mind, so that the Stormtroopers are now basically, made up of inferior sources, for the large majority, instead of the other way around, which Lucas seemed to be strongly suggesting at, in the AOTC DVD audio commentary.
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Re: Welcome some BCaT VIPs
Posted: Jun 4, 2004 11:16 PM   in response to: Ghent in response to: Ghent
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Lucas laughed when he said it, so yes he was being facetious.

Funny that you would bring up mental psychological traits vs. physical accidents caused by vision impairment due to the mask that they put on. Bad analogy on your part as the two things are not at all the same, ;).

Where as psycholgical traits can be passed onto offspring. Accidents caused from being too tall, and wearing a mask that blocks one's vision is not a genetic trait. Unless one argues that a child is born with a mask on, and pass the genetic trait of growing a mask onto their offspring.
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Re: Welcome some BCaT VIPs
Posted: Jun 4, 2004 11:09 PM   in response to: Ghent in response to: Ghent
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You know that's like..stupid and impossible right? But as a joke it's pretty funny.

No I don't think that Lucas was joking with this comment. And as a matter of fact, while I'm no geneticist, I don't see what seems to be so impossible about inheriting a tendency to bump your head on doors. After all, aren't people known to inherit their parent's temper, and certain other qualities such as the method of reacting similarly as their parents would?

However, for some reason, I have a feeling that this is going to be the exact explanation that Lucas or Pablo might end up turning to, to cover the mistake of ever having said that to begin with, when you knew you might change your mind later on (let's face it, no one forced Lucas to say that All the Stormtroopers got that gene passed on).
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Re: Welcome some BCaT VIPs
Posted: Jun 4, 2004 10:56 PM   in response to: Ghent in response to: Ghent
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There is also the author's prerogative to change his mind if he didn't like his previous ideas, and thought something else would be better.
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Re: Welcome some BCaT VIPs
Posted: Jun 4, 2004 10:54 PM   in response to: Ghent in response to: Ghent
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Don't you uhh.,.think Lucas was joking about the passing down f the head bumping gene by genetics?

You know that's like..stupid and impossible right? But as a joke it's pretty funny.
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Re: Welcome some BCaT VIPs
Posted: Jun 4, 2004 10:18 PM   in response to: Ghent in response to: Ghent
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However, why Lucas does things like contradict his audio commentary of the AOTC DVD *(*yes Pablo, from what I'm aware off, he was quoted as saying that the head bumping trait was genetically passed down to All Stormtroopers of the OT, meaning he would be contradicting himself, with his newest statement*)* I'm certainly not aware off. What I am aware off, is that these contradictions are beginning to decline my confidence in Lucas' ability (and I say that because up until now, I seemed to have been one of the people in the minority, who considered both Ep.1 and 2 to be just as good as the OT).


Hmm, I wonder for how long they're going to ban me now, after telling a SW insider that he and Lucas contradicted themselves, and for saying Lucas has lost his mind? Let me take a guess.

Forever.

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Re: Welcome some BCaT VIPs
Posted: Jun 4, 2004 10:12 PM   in response to: Ghent in response to: Ghent
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*So, I guess if you don't like the whole deal, George Lucas is the one to blame since he wrote the AOTC script that included only 1.2 million clones.

Why does George do things like that? *

I don't have that much of a problem with the clone numbers in AOTC, since Ep.3 SPOILER information has apparently found out that by Ep.3,


the ST's are being churned out by numerous cloning facilities throughout the OR. The way I figure, the OR, or Palpatine himself, payed, blackmailed, or did something to the Kaminoans, to convince them to give him the neccessary information to replicate the Kaminoan's cloning facilities and clone raising methods, all over the OR. Which would make me believe that pretty soon after AOTC, the clones began to show up in considerably higher numbers.

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Re: Welcome some BCaT VIPs
Posted: Jun 4, 2004 10:03 PM   in response to: Ghent in response to: Ghent
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+I think there should be a correction made to Jaina's bio in future editions.
It says that Jaina found a "surrogate mother" in Mara, which I find to be very unfair to Leia. Yes, Jaina and Leia had some problems during the NJO, mostly because of Jaina's attitude, but in my estimation, Mara never became a "surrogate mother" to Jaina. Friend, sure. Mentor, yeah. But not a "surrogate mother."+

I agree, because that is directly contradicted in VP, where is states Mara was "not a mother to Jaina, rather a big sister". Page two, I think.

Also, might Jaina's height be amended? She is set at 4 feet 8 inches. That's crazy. Han is about six feet. Leis is 5'2".
That is a few inches taller than I was in kindergarten. Now granted, I was tall, 4'0", but at five. Jaina's impossibly short. Is that a typo?
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Re: Welcome some BCaT VIPs
Posted: Jun 4, 2004 9:56 PM   in response to: Ghent in response to: Ghent
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Thrawniscool,

I understand how you feel.

However, this stems from a larger problem. In AOTC the Kaminoan said that there were 200,000 clones with a million more on the way.

With so many thousands, or is it millions?, of star systems in the galaxy, there is no possible way that they could be a suffciant force, especially after so many die in the clone wars. Thus, the "fix" of other templates being cloned later, as well as there being many non-clone stormtroopers.

So, I guess if you don't like the whole deal, George Lucas is the one to blame since he wrote the AOTC script that included only 1.2 million clones.

Why does George do things like that?
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Re: Welcome some BCaT VIPs
Posted: Jun 4, 2004 9:38 PM   in response to: Ghent in response to: Ghent
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Would you mind telling me, Mr. Pablo (I know that's not your last name), what the approximate percentage of Jango clones, to other template clones, to human recruits is, by the beginning of the OT, then? Would you also mind telling me just how inferior the majority of those clones are? And finally, would you mind telling me why you personally said that there will be no clones other than those of Jango, in Ep.3, if there will be multiple sources in Ep.4? I understand that there is a 19 year gap between Ep.3 and 4, but if it wasn't related to Ep.3, then why were the other clones mentioned in the Ep.3 webcams?
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Re: Welcome some BCaT VIPs
Posted: Jun 4, 2004 9:25 PM   in response to: Ghent in response to: Ghent
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As previously noted, both answers are from GWL, and there's no contradiction, since there are still plenty of Jango-batch head-bumpin' clones for everyone to love and enjoy.

God, as much as I like his movies, I really am starting to feel that Lucas has lost his mind. Why did he contradict himself by saying that stuff on the audio-commentary then, goddamn it. I mean sure, for quite some time, I have been acceptant of the idea that some small percentage of the ST's were not Jango clones, but the extent to which Lucas seems to suggest that inferior sources (such as different template clones) have been incorporated into the ST ranks by the OT, is considerably higher, than what has been suggested so far. I mean you guys seem to suggest that inferior sources are so common, and that much inferior, that by the OT, the ST's aren't even worth the nutrient liquid they are conceived in, anymore (or whatever that liquid stuff inside those cloning cylinders/vats was).
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Re: Welcome some BCaT VIPs
Posted: Jun 4, 2004 6:05 PM   in response to: Ghent in response to: Ghent
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I am doubting that it should be considered offcial, since Lucas' own audio commentary in the AOTC DVD, explained that the OT Stormtroopers bumb their head, because it was passed down to them genetically, by Jango. So it seems like its Insider vs. Lucas, and we all know who's version of the story wins if that contradiction occurs.

As previously noted, both answers are from GWL, and there's no contradiction, since there are still plenty of Jango-batch head-bumpin' clones for everyone to love and enjoy.

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Re: Welcome some BCaT VIPs
Posted: Jun 4, 2004 5:08 PM   in response to: Ghent in response to: Ghent
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In other words, would Del Rey have had the rights to still publish paperback editions in 2006, overlapping with the publications from the new holder?

I'm pretty sure the answer to that would be "yes." But I suppose I should let Sremmuy answer, since I'm basically just assuming.
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Re: Welcome some BCaT VIPs
Posted: Jun 4, 2004 4:14 PM   in response to: Ghent in response to: Ghent
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VIPs- Out of curiosity, Sue, in regards to that upcoming publishing list you posted a page or two back- What would have happened with the paperback editions of LOE and "Outbound Flight" had Del Rey not recieved a renewel for the license?

In other words, would Del Rey have had the rights to still publish paperback editions in 2006, overlapping with the publications from the new holder? (and if so, would that have barred Del Rey from adding any new content like an e-book?)

Or, would it cross over to the new publisher?
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Re: Welcome some BCaT VIPs
Posted: Jun 4, 2004 4:04 PM   in response to: Ghent in response to: Ghent
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And even if they weren't clones of Jango, who would come up with such a bogus idea<<

It was Lucas himself, actually- he mentioned it on set during Episode 3 (it's recounted in one of the set diaries, I believe). Pablo just restated that idea in SW Insider.
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Re: Welcome some BCaT VIPs
Posted: Jun 4, 2004 3:51 PM   in response to: Ghent in response to: Ghent
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It was answered by Pablo Hidalgo at the Q&A section. It said not all Stormtroopers are still clones from Jango. Several other sources have served as hosts. Send me your e-mail & I will scan the page from the Insider. You will see that we are not kidding about this.

Sure thing, my e-mail is . And by the way, while I'm not doubting that that was in Insider, I am doubting that it should be considered offcial, since Lucas' own audio commentary in the AOTC DVD, explained that the OT Stormtroopers bumb their head, because it was passed down to them genetically, by Jango. So it seems like its Insider vs. Lucas, and we all know who's version of the story wins if that contradiction occurs. And while I do believe that there are a small number of humans or non-jango clones in the ranks, I don't think that their templates are chosen due to wealth, or high rank, but combat ability.
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Re: Welcome some BCaT VIPs
Posted: Jun 4, 2004 2:49 PM   in response to: Ghent in response to: Ghent
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It was answered by Pablo Hidalgo at the Q&A section. It said not all Stormtroopers are still clones from Jango. Several other sources have served as hosts. Send me your e-mail & I will scan the page from the Insider. You will see that we are not kidding about this.

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