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Iseethefnords

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Re: Welcome some BAC VIPs
Posted: Jan 7, 2004 3:53 PM   in response to: Ghent in response to: Ghent
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Whatever happened to those literary, "omniscient sources of information",

Then one can simply treat the source as a well-informed external historian/author, and thereby not an internal participant writing about it later (I, Jedi could be viewed that way). You simply attribute it to an anonymous informed author after the event happened. This is a lot more convienent, IMHO, an analogy than being strict about the "third-person omniscient" POV we all learned about in High School English class, because its hard to image an omniscient source being wrong, but in SW, it can be due to the whole interpretation/foggy windows/contridicting film intent thing.

This is just an analogy, but I find it a helpful one.

Not to mention, it isn't without precedent. The ANH novelisation and perhaps the SW movies themselves were once thought to be part of a fictional "Journal of the Whills" historical document recovered from a Galaxy far far away...at least that's my impression.
eddie


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Re: Welcome some BAC VIPs
Posted: Jan 7, 2004 1:25 PM   in response to: Ghent in response to: Ghent
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Sremmuy wrote: I just received notice that the contract with the prequel author has been signed, so there will be an announcement on starwars.com very soon -- as soon as Pablo can write something up.

from the OS: In Other Book News: Del Rey has just confirmed the signing of author James Luceno to pen a new hardcover novel that will take place in the months leading up to the events of Episode III. The as-yet-untitled novel is scheduled for release in February 2005.

Leland Y Chee


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Re: Welcome some BAC VIPs
Posted: Jan 7, 2004 12:37 PM   in response to: Ghent in response to: Ghent
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what is the official timeline placement for League of Spies?

We don't have one. The line in the story of it occuring a "few months" after the start of the Clone Wars throws off our stated position for "Pengalan Tradeoff." I could tell you where I think, but that would run the risk of being contradicted again.

Usually we'll catch these errors in our continuity checks, but unfortunately this one slipped through the cracks.
Valiento


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Re: Welcome some BAC VIPs
Posted: Jan 7, 2004 12:37 PM   in response to: Ghent in response to: Ghent
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"Whether or not an actual Clone Wars battle takes place in the Mandalore system is up to the authors."

Hmm, come to think of it marvel doesn't actually specify that their involvement in the clone wars, and last battle occurs in the mandalore system exactly, but rather it leaves it open it could have occured anywhere, the battle that destroyed most of the Mandalorians could be tailored to have occured anywhere really, its pretty open-ended.

There is room for plenty of options that would work, to include what was shown.

But I'm glad that you are giving the authors that freedom, hopefully all the editors can agree with it, and some author will come along and do it...
Devimon83


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Re: Welcome some BAC VIPs
Posted: Jan 7, 2004 12:19 PM   in response to: Ghent in response to: Ghent
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No one said he was leader of any army sigh. Just because he was a leader, doesn't mean he was the leader. Even read my very long post? The culture of mandalore according to the AotCs Visual dictionary? Boba maybe leading a group ofyoung boys ?

There'snothing that said he led the army.

Anyhoo, Jango was killing at the age of ten.

And Boba is currently doing bounty hunting work for Jabba the Hutt. How is thatanymore believable?
Valiento


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Re: Welcome some BAC VIPs
Posted: Jan 7, 2004 12:18 PM   in response to: Ghent in response to: Ghent
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"Boba barely fits his Mandalorian armor"

Didn't Jango fit into his first set of armor? Doesn't clothes come in several sizes? If the culture takes 13 year olds into the Mandalorian army, aren't you sure that they make armor to the size that will fit those recruits? Then they'd just get bigger sets as they go.

"let alone is a leader of an army."

Umm, in the comic, it doesn't say he was the leader of the entire army, he was just the chief officer of small group that included Fenn Shysa, and Tobi Dala. If they were young scouts that wouldn't be a problem.
Leland Y Chee


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Re: Welcome some BAC VIPs
Posted: Jan 7, 2004 12:13 PM   in response to: Ghent in response to: Ghent
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Why is the battle of Mandalore more of an urban legend, rather than an actual event that occured?

Whether or not an actual Clone Wars battle takes place in the Mandalore system is up to the authors.


I am not aware of any current plans for a young Boba to join the Mandalorians.

Devimon83


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Re: Welcome some BAC VIPs
Posted: Jan 7, 2004 11:47 AM   in response to: Ghent in response to: Ghent
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Different groups of Mandalorians as you can see.
Devimon83


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Re: Welcome some BAC VIPs
Posted: Jan 7, 2004 11:40 AM   in response to: Ghent in response to: Ghent
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And just in case you're wondering, yes there is a planet Mandalore in your sourcebooks. The Guide to the starwars universe third edition says that the planet was conquered by Mandalore and his mercanary army.It became the home base of the Mandalorians.

The Star Wars Core Rule book by Wizards of the Coast says that Mandalore still exists in the PT era and Empire era and citizens of the planet are known as Mandalorians though they don't follow the necessaryily follow the old mandalorian warrior tradition. Based on sources YOU GUYS published i can only conclude that at some point there was a split between Mandaloriansthat wanted to jointhe greater galaxy and those that wanted to follow the old tradition. Those who wanted to follow the old tradition became a roaming band of mercanaries as seen in Jango Fett: Open Seasons. The planet Mandalore itself became a member of the Republic and human citizens from Mandalore became known as Mandalorians.
Devimon83


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Re: Welcome some BAC VIPs
Posted: Jan 7, 2004 11:34 AM   in response to: Ghent in response to: Ghent
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So Boba travels to mandalore. Proves himself in training, is promoted to a position over a bunch of young mandalorian boys, Tobbi Dala and Fen Shysa among them. Palpatine talks to the governor of mandalore. Gets him to abuse the Mandalorian System Protectors by getting em to fight off world for the cause of the Republic. The Mandalorian System protectors are wiped out except for Tobbi Dala, Fenn Shysa , and Boba Fett. Mandalore itself is enslaved by the empire after the Clone Wars.

Why the Mandalorian System Protectors fight for Palpatine is up to you guys. How they're wiped out is up to you. Fen Shysa never went into detail and there's possibilities for great stories.

Also, if you guys are keen on having the Mandalorian warriors be completely extinct, justsaythe System Protectors were formed by the Mandalorian government after Jango's group was destroyed.
Devimon83


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Re: Welcome some BAC VIPs
Posted: Jan 7, 2004 11:27 AM   in response to: Ghent in response to: Ghent
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I can see the mandalorians using younger mandalorians as scouts. Small. Fast. Able to goin places that adults can't. They could even be used for sabotage. Such as Jango was used by Jaster Mereel in open seasons.

It would be logical for Boba to eventually try to join the Mandalorian System Protectors. After all, his training by his father was never completed. How better to complete your Mandalorian training than by joining actual mandalorians. And certainly those young adult Boba Fett books aren't going to expand the entire clone wars are they? Surely there's time for young Boba to make his way to Mandalore.
Devimon83


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Re: Welcome some BAC VIPs
Posted: Jan 7, 2004 11:25 AM   in response to: Ghent in response to: Ghent
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And anyhoo as for Fett working wit he mandalorian protectors, why not. He's already working as abounty hunter for jabba the hutt. And according to your own published sources, the AotC VD, Mandalorian boys go to the trials of manhood at the age of 13. sometimes those trials are deadly. This according to sources you guys approved and had published.

So, why can't someone who wants to join the mandalorian system protectors, join as a kid if its all right according to their culture.
(the marvel comic says these mandaloirians were charged with the ultimate protection of the Mandalore system so they were different from the tradional mandalorian mercanary army Jango belonged to, but they probaly followed the same customs and traditions). Kids could do a number of important non combat jobs(relatively) and still be in danger.
Valiento


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Re: Welcome some BAC VIPs
Posted: Jan 7, 2004 11:22 AM   in response to: Ghent in response to: Ghent
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Hmm, that is the simplest explanation I've ever heard for the paragraphs, putting one during the clone wars, and putting the other after episode III. It makes perfect sense, :).

The nice thing about it is the first paragraph, that refers to the clone wars, says he was setting up his "made his move to set up a galactic empire" during the clone wars, so it wasn't even an empire at the time, neither was he an emperor, :). As AOTC has shown us the clone wars was his move to set up a galactic Empire, :). It falls into place pretty darn well, if one interprets it that way, imo, :).
Devimon83


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Re: Welcome some BAC VIPs
Posted: Jan 7, 2004 11:18 AM   in response to: Ghent in response to: Ghent
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I don't understand why this is such a big continuity snaffu..it shouldn't be.
Fen Shysa never says he saw her picture during a briefing in the clone wars era. He just said he was briefed on the enemies of the Empire.

So what if he was away from his homeworld for many years and returned shortly after ANH and Leia became a traitor to the Empire and found his people were slaves. All those years he worked for the Empireand he never knew. Maybe heard rumors but never believed them. Anyway after that he forms a rebellion. but since hewas working for the empire for many years, he saw a picture of leia when hewas briefed ont he enemies of the empire.

Must have been how the comic's original writer intended it. For is the writer intended Leia to be an enemy of the empire during the clone wars, why did they wait till ANH to arrest her. ASo the writer of that comic muszthave intended shysa to have seen leia's picture AFTER the clone wars
Valiento


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Re: Welcome some BAC VIPs
Posted: Jan 7, 2004 12:10 AM   in response to: Ghent in response to: Ghent
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Certainly, I understand that obviously palpatine wasn't the emperor at the point, and the person fenn shysa, got to know the features of, couldn't have been leia, but I'm sure there is a way to interpret the story so that it could fit...
Valiento


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Re: Welcome some BAC VIPs
Posted: Jan 6, 2004 8:51 PM   in response to: Ghent in response to: Ghent
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"Iseethefnords"

Whatever happened to those literary, "omniscient sources of information", :p...

*"In the Star Wars universe, accounts of Mandalorians fighting in the Clone Wars are just "stories," and are not based on historical fact."

-Leland Chee, Sep 11, 2003"*

Why is this, Mr. Chee? Why is the battle of mandalore more of an urban legend, rather than an actual event that occured?
Iseethefnords

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Re: Welcome some BAC VIPs
Posted: Jan 6, 2004 8:01 PM   in response to: Ghent in response to: Ghent
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If LFL starts turning events into tall tales, they might as well start saying there isn't really a true star wars continuity, and they can just say every story is just fuzzy story that may or may not happened as shown in a story...

Val, its not really that bad. Think of the EU as a grand bank of different historical sources from eons ago. Some corroborate, some don't, and you have a little competition going on between some of them. There's a truth, but its got to be haggled out of the comparison, and its all still subordinate to the movies, which in my RL "suspension of disbelief" little view here for a bit, is like watching a video recording or documentary about a grand event. The images and film is going to be a bit more reliable...but more complete versions of the dug up ol' tape may show up, and trump that (Special Editions)... :-p

Don't worry Val. It'll get hammered out.
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Re: Welcome some BAC VIPs
Posted: Jan 6, 2004 1:46 PM   in response to: Ghent in response to: Ghent
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VIP'S We never heard that announcement of who will publish SW books after 2005 or who will write the Episode III lead-in novel yet. You said it would be the end of the year. IT'S 2004! WHAT'S THE DEAL?!!

Yell at the Vips, my friend. That is just a spectaular idea. Learn some patience in matters like this.
Brian.


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Re: Welcome some BAC VIPs
Posted: Jan 6, 2004 11:18 AM   in response to: Ghent in response to: Ghent
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Pablo et al., when will the Clone Wars timeline be updated at starwars.com?
Brian.


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Re: Welcome some BAC VIPs
Posted: Jan 6, 2004 11:03 AM   in response to: Ghent in response to: Ghent
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Leland or whomever, what is the official timeline placement for +League of Spies+?

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