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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
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Jun 19, 2006 10:39 AM
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Seeing as we already know that C-3PO was constructed c. 112 BBY, and later found by Anakin Skywalker as scrap on Tatooine, is it possible that the Star Comics Droids are in fact the adventures of 3PO before he was "built" by Anakin? This would seem to actually make the comics fit even more with continuity, as it would explain why 3PO no longer recognized the Ewoks when he went to Endor in RotJ, and could explain why R2-D2 had a funky red colouring (it could either be his old looks before he was acquired by the Naboo).
Though I don't have an exact placement for these comics, we wouldn't place them before C-3PO and R2-D2 are partnered together in Episode II.
Since there is no known or availiable literature or source that deals with the 501st Legion after Hoth and before Survivor's Quest, does the Holocron contain information as to their role in the battle of Endor? or are there sources that deal with there presence during the battle?
Not at the moment. I've always assumed that legion on Endor are the Emperor's personal troops, not Vader's.
Also does the 'cron discriminate between in-universe/factual and in-universe/opinion?
Whenever possible.
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
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Jun 19, 2006 2:24 AM
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R5-D4, due in part to the damage that was already done to him, was actually one of the survivors of the raid on the sandcrawler. He was acquired by Alliance historian Voren Na'al, repaired, interviewed, and then left as a spy in the Imperial Prefect's office on Tatooine. His story was included in the notes that Na'al sent to Hextrophon for inclusion in the Official History of the Rebellion, Volume One.
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
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Jun 19, 2006 12:04 AM
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Well where would the rumor have come from, then? The Jawas present were killed shortly after. So were the Lars. The only ones there were Luke, R2-D2 and C-3PO, and the handul of other droids on the sandcrawler...
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
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Jun 18, 2006 11:43 PM
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Rumors mean just that - rumors. It may have come from an underground bootleg holo, it might have come from exaggerated tales of the real R5-D4's heroism (he really did intentionally blow his motivator on purpose to keep R2 and 3PO together, and later served as a spy for the Rebels), or it might just be some tall tale cooked up by a sloshed spacer or two in a cantina somewhere. It's canon that the Skippy story is told in the GFFA, but it's not canon that that story is true.
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
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Jun 18, 2006 5:14 PM
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Consider everything that's not completely outrageous or intentionally comic as S-canon. If it's referenced in another non-Tales source, then elevate it to C-canon.
What if it's intentionally comic but also mentioned in another non-Tales source? Does the former restriction override the latter criteria?
Skippy the Jedi Droid, for example, is obviously intentionally comical. But the apparently canonical in-universe essay Droids, Technology and the Force: A Clash of Phenomena by Abel G. Peña mentions Skippy:
Tales of Iron Knights (and even wild rumors about Jedi droids named Skippy) have fueled the fire for those devoted few that have dared to press the question.
The rumor had to come from somewhere- does this mean Skippy existed, and if so, is his story therefore canon? The tone of the essay seems to hint at an ironic truth to Skippy's tale.
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
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Jun 11, 2006 6:30 PM
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Since there is no known or availiable literature or source that deals with the 501st Legion after Hoth and before Survivor's Quest, does the Holocron contain information as to their role in the battle of Endor? or are there sources that deal with there presence during the battle?
Also does the 'cron discriminate between in-universe/factual and in-universe/opinion?
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
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In the old Star Comics Droids comics, C-3PO and R2-D2 get transported "100 years" into the future, to the planet Endor shortly before the Battle of Endor (when Wicket and co. are still children, before they've met with the Rebel gang)...though this would appear to be something that needs a retcon, I was just wandering if it actually did? Seeing as we already know that C-3PO was constructed c. 112 BBY, and later found by Anakin Skywalker as scrap on Tatooine, is it possible that the Star Comics Droids are in fact the adventures of 3PO before he was "built" by Anakin?
This would seem to actually make the comics fit even more with continuity, as it would explain why 3PO no longer recognized the Ewoks when he went to Endor in RotJ, and could explain why R2-D2 had a funky red colouring (it could either be his old looks before he was acquired by the Naboo).
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
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Jun 6, 2006 11:07 AM
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Some opf the situations maybe, but not the story itself. I found the story to be more profound, and certainly not a comedy. It had its humorous moments, but was defenately not meant to be a comedic romp. Those situations were also quite accurate as the actions of a kid, particularly the Tomboy Leia has been described as being when she was growing up.
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
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Jun 6, 2006 9:33 AM
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I'd definitely consider several aspects of the "Princess Leia Diaries" like the water balloon on Tarkin and Leia channelling the dance moves of Elaine Bennis as intentionally comic.
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
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Jun 5, 2006 12:34 PM
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+ Consider everything that's not completely outrageous or intentionally comic as S-canon. If it's referenced in another non-+Tales+ source, then elevate it to C-canon.+
So, that would place The Princess Leia Diaries in at least S-Level Canon then, possibly C-Level? Almost everything in that story deals with things specifically referenced in Leia's official bio texts and other sources. |
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
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Jun 4, 2006 3:05 AM
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Consider everything that's not completely outrageous or intentionally comic as S-canon. If it's referenced in another non-+Tales+ source, then elevate it to C-canon.
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
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Jun 2, 2006 7:33 PM
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
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Jun 2, 2006 6:29 PM
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Are any Star Wars Tales issues #1-20 characters ,etc. included in the Holocron? If so, could you name a few?
All of them are included, with varying levels of "canonicity". Look up "Skippy the Jedi Droid," and you'll get an entry. Lurdo? Yep, he's in there. Slabba Drewl, Drell Kahmf, George R. Binks and Melvin Fett too.
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
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Jun 2, 2006 6:25 PM
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Isn't there just a possibility to state 'this particular game is just a game' and not to include the events in de Holocron?
Some games are certainly "just games" like Lego Star Wars. Other games are "just games" that happen to contain characters, creatures, locations, and technology that are part of continuity, like Masters of Teräs Käsi, Demolition, and Battlefront. I myself like games driven by a story, and I think there are many who would agree, which would probably explain the inclusion of story-driven campaigns in Battlefront II and Empire at War. And finally, you've got something like Knights of the Old Republic in which the game is all about story. Story has and always will be an important factor in Star Wars games but certainly, there's always room to just have a little fun.
Why include games in the Holocron? Because we consider video games just as valid as any other medium for telling Star Wars stories.
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
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Jun 2, 2006 6:15 PM
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Are any Star Wars Tales issues #1-20 characters ,etc. included in the Holocron? If so, could you name a few?
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
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I sometimes wonder why so many elements of 'SW' games are included in the Holocron. Aren't games created to entertain and enjoy players in the first place? Often to do so, the believabilty of the events are neglected and many weird things happen. I don't mind that, because that's why its called a game. Isn't there just a possibility to state 'this particular game is just a game' and not to include the events in de Holocron?
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
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May 31, 2006 2:10 PM
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*Shouldn't Zekk be older then Jaina in
Betrayal?*
In the Holocron, I have Zekk at about 2 years older
than Jaina.
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
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May 31, 2006 11:20 AM
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Did Zonoma Sekot return the Yuuzhan Vong to the Force? Betrayal mentioned they were not.
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Re: Holocron continuity database questions
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But then DLOTS is at 3,992, TSW is at 3,991.5, and Redemption is at 3,981.5.
I believe these dates are in error. DLOTS should still be -3996, TSW -3996 and Redemption -3986.
Shouldn't Zekk be older then Jaina in Betrayal?
In the Holocron, I have Zekk at about 2 years older than Jaina.
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